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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
This is a rose that would be interesting re-done. Red Star is such an old, riddled variety. But blanda produces a lot of good kiddos down the line.

I already take on too many species to work with. Hopefully more work with blanda.
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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
Always enjoy seeing your rose photos here.
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by richard
thanks Michael...still becoming familiar with the system...
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Initial post 3 days ago by HubertG
This looks so different from the photos of my Dr Grill that I've just posted. Is this always so evenly pink?
Reply #1 of 8 posted 3 days ago by Vesfl
It does indeed look different from the photo of your 'Dr. Grill'. The shrub was in full sun when I was taking this photo and I took this closeup of the blooms on the shady side of the shrub. The blooms are not always solid pink but have shades of light to darker pink and I hope that this can be seen, albeit from a distance, on another photo of the entire shrub I posted.

After reading your comment, I've looked up "Tea Roses: Old Roses for Warm Gardens", a book written by the Australian authors, and they say that the original 'Dr. Grill' is not in commerce in Australia. On their profile of the 'William R. Smith' rose, which looks closer to yours judging from their photos, they write that it has been sold in Australia as 'Dr. Grill' and sometimes as 'Amelia Anderson'. I am not a rosarian, but hope this info helps. Either way, your rose looks absolutely stunning.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
Thank you Vesfl. Yes, there does seem to be some confusion over Dr Grill here (and elsewhere). I'm pretty certain my bush isn't W R Smith or Amelia Anderson, as mine sets hips and doesn't ball.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 3 days ago by Margaret Furness
And see the description page of Dr Grill: the rose grown under that name in the US is not the original Dr Grill.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
HubertG - would you like us to make a "study file" for your rose in question? Since you are not positive about the provenance, I suggest a study name something like "HubertG's possible Dr. Grill", but you might come up with something more appropriate. You could then move your photos out of the 'Dr. Grill' file and this may help to lessen the confusion over 'Dr. Grill'.
We could link your account with this "rose file" and you could add as much information as you like on this rose over the years. Unfortunately we are unable to move the Comments relating to your foundling, so they would have to stop where they are.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 2 days ago by HubertG
Patricia, no, I actually think that my rose is most likely to be the real Dr. Grill. It wasn't a foundling. I did purchase it as Dr Grill from Honeysuckle Cottage Nursery, it's just that we don't seem to know where they sourced their stock. It isn't the Dr Grill that appears to be William R Smith or Amelia Anderson, judging by appearances and fertility, balling etc.
Regarding why I think it is likely to be the original (no evidence of course, just considered speculation) boils to down to a number of factors. Firstly, it matches the descriptions of being variably coppery yellow to fawn pink, which mine is. I do believe it has similarities most with the Moon illustration particularly in the colouring and the commentary say that the colours are faithfully represented, but also in the formation of the flowers. The growth habit matches the early descriptions being angular/awkward. It always opens well, at least I never remember seeing it ball. Secondly, when I look at the parents of Dr Grill, particularly Souvenir de Victor Hugo, I can see strong similarities with my rose, particularly with the incurving central petals, the high centred form and the coppery colour. When I look at the picture of Parsefal which has Dr Grill as a parent, I can easily see my rose in it. I do believe that the early breeders must have seen something special in Dr Grill to use it in crossing with the early Hybrid Teas. When I look at some of the other European Dr Grill's here, although the colours seem correct on some, some of them are somewhat insubstantial in form and I wonder if a breeder back then would have used such a rose to create roses like Antoine Rivoire, Mme Abel Chatenay etc. Thirdly is the scent which isn't strong but is distinctly hay scented. Not too many roses claim to have such a scent. I know you can't smell it, you'll just have to take my word.
Lastly, Dr Grill was available at least in Sydney to at least WWII and possibly later, it certainly isn't inconceivable that bushes survived and cuttings were passed around. I speculated in another post that Honeysuckle Cottage Nursery might have sourced it from a local nursery that had some rare old HT's. I mentioned Columbia. I now remember Korovo was another of the old HT's being sold there that I don't think was in the catalogues of the time. This is purely speculation on my part but maybe they sourced my Dr Grill from there and it came from a old known local plant.

Anyway, as I said previously I don't know that my rose is the correct Dr Grill, but that could probably be said about any of the photos of Dr Grill here, so it would be a pity to give it a separate listing, especially as the case for it being correct is reasonably strong in my opinion.

I can certainly stop spamming the Dr Grill section with my photos if you like, but because it is so variable and beautiful, there always seems to be another shot to post.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 2 days ago by HubertG
Patricia, on second thought it might be better to move it to a new listing. Whatever it is, as long as anyone looking up Dr Grill's page can find a link to it that's OK with me. That way I can photo-spam all I like lol.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
I would like to point out that HelpMeFind's capacity is not limitless.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 2 days ago by HubertG
LOL I was only joking.
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Initial post 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Amazing garden, I love the Delphiniums.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 days ago by Nova Liz
Thank you,Andrew.
I hope,next year it will bloom so again.We had and have still a lot of frost and storm.
Greetings to you and the warmer England.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
It is snowing very hard this afternoon..
Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 days ago by Nova Liz
Then it is comforting,to look at garden fotos of the summer.
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