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4 days ago by
fenriz
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Hello again,
I’ve found this Rose with big white flowers 2 weeks ago.
She has no thorns (!) and grew next to a rose arch which was occupied by an overgrowing rootstock or wild rose. The habit was more hybrid-tea like but the location or overgrowing rootstock seemed to have weakened her just a bit. Nevertheless she grew over a meter, seemed too stiff to be a climber, but she could be cut more than needed.
She flowered mid-june in Germany and for now (end of june) has no flowers just big green pedicels (?). Big white flowers with a pink hue, could be scented but I just remember their beauty. Didn’t seem like Gruß an Aachen to me, but that one is a shape-shifter.
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If it produces more crops of flowers, it would be worth looking at Mme Alfred Carriere. Most people consider it scented. Though it would be ambitious for someone to plant a rose which can get very big, in a restricted site.
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#2 of 5 posted
4 days ago by
fenriz
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Thank you! I think it really is Mme. Alfred Carriere. All those features revealed her, even the unripe hips check as well. Her anomaly could be explained by the subpar location which the rootstock took advantage of.
But don’t be fooled, the arch is over 2 meters at the highest point, but you’re right a Noisette will still need and take up more space.
Even two low-climbing Roses would have been better suited, but they may not possess the beauty of those flowers.
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You're welcome. I can't help with your red rose, unless it's Crimson Glory (1935) - I don't know modern roses at all.
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#4 of 5 posted
2 days ago by
fenriz
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It will be that newer Kordes-Rose, but I was amazed, in the local rosary it was a rather ugly burned dark-red rose.
Have you by chance experienced “Crimson King”?
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4 days ago by
fenriz
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Hello,
I’ve found this Rose, Floribunda/Grandiflora habit. Newer canes or Geiltriebe/Wasserschosse (idk the english equivalent) are a little bit more heavily and classically red-thorned (no small thorns).
Big flowers, outer (or even most) petals are white striped and more purplish changing to a crimson-red towards the heart. They seemingly were holding up well as it was quite hot and sometimes rainy the last days. I haven’t ruled out Gräfin Diana, as the location of this one may offer a little more protection as the one I know. She may have less pressure from other Roses here and thus perform better, but something’s off.
The fragrance was on the stronger site, it’s a Floribunda-like citrus-y smell. Grave is from 2015, if that’s any help.
I can provide more photos but I’ll post the flowers for now.
PS: The second photo is the real Diana, has a peachier fragrance, big and small thorns. The flowers are more filled and she blooms shier than the mystery rose, but those could be site and rootstock differences. It’s also hotter today and the second one is located a few meters higher on loamier soil, the first one might grow closer to the groundwater level.
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This rose is apparently mislabelled as Rosa x centifolia, it lacks the moss of Rosa x centifolia “Simplex”/La Louise if that one has it but they have some similarities yet it lacks reddish thorns, but it’s standing a little shady. Or even rosa gallica or some root base? The flower was photographed with flash, the colour is a tiny bit less intense in vivo. I thought about r. rugosa var. rubra but it lacks the bushiness (2m high) and had no hips and it grows offshoots too.
May y’all help me in the identification of this rose.
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#1 of 4 posted
7 JUN by
 HubertG
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The foliage makes it look a bit like one of the Rugosa roses.
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#2 of 4 posted
7 JUN by
fenriz
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Thank you, after some reconsideration i think it’s a Rugosa too, the ofshoots we’re probably cut off in time.
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#3 of 4 posted
7 JUN by
HubertG
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Maybe it was a Rugosa root stock that has taken over, something like 'Hollandica', although I have no idea if that or anything similar is still used in Europe for that purpose.
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#4 of 4 posted
8 JUN by
fenriz
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A misidentification seems more likely, shouldn’t be the first time in a botanic garden. As rootstocks the industry prefers roses with less thorns but stranger things happened. ‘La Louise’ growing there by chance would be such a thing.
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What variety of rambler rose is it?
Good evening,
In autumn 2024, I bought a bare-root rose (unidentified) on special offer. It appears to be a rambler, and I have a shoot 70 cm long with a first flower (I haven't identified the fragrance) and a few buds. I think it might be Paul's Himalayan Musk. I'd like some advice on how to identify it. Best regards, Huyustus
Edit 26/05/25 :
Hello, here is an extra photo to help me identify the variety of this rose. The fragrance is light and musky and the flowers are rather small, 3 to 5 cm. Any suggestions? Yours sincerely, Huyustus
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