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Discussion id : 109-437
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Initial post 3 days ago by Ozoldroser
"Vine View Dk Red Purple" I would like to make a new file for this rose. Alerted to this garden in Williamstown, South Australia by the owner in April 2014. At first I thought it was a HP but not so sure now. This cutting grown plant is in some shade and is regularly watered with rainwater and fertilised
Reply #1 of 5 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
Reminds me a bit of Souvenir du Docteur Jamain. (See my post of may 6 2017 for that rose)
Reply #2 of 5 posted 3 days ago by Patricia Routley
New file for "Vine View Dark Red Purple" opened and photos moved. I will comment further in that file.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Ozoldroser
Thank you Jay-Jay many of the descriptions of 'Souvenir du Dr. Jamain' fit this rose. Perfume I would rate higher though.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
I would rate it (much) higher too, as You might read in one comment for that rose.
Lots of people, that visit our garden, fell as a block for this rose, mainly due to the scent, but to the color, the ability to grow in the (partial) shade and the (almost) lack of prickles too.
It stands at the entrance of our garden to be sniffed regularly, when flowering... and that's what I do.

PS: Members rate the scent as excellent too.
Maybe an idea to rate scent in:
- absent
- faint
- present
- strong
- very strong
- overwhelming
Reply #5 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Ozoldroser
Thank you Jay-Jay.
Discussion id : 107-828
most recent 7 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
It is rather scant evidence to go on at present, but can anyone tell anything from these pieces of rose as to what variety it might be? There is more information in the Journal section. It climbs to at least 3 metres and has short triangular pale brown and slightly hooked thorns and probably not a rose bred or collected after the beginning of the twentieth century. I will post more pictures as it begins to grow.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 FEB by Margaret Furness
I like your fireplace!
Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for commenting on this and not my filthy table cloth. Almost every house around here, grand or small has a fire place almost the same as this, Mine was re-built some years back because of a chimney fire but there should also be a bread oven built in at the side. The picture is of the site where I found the rose.
Discussion id : 97-962
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Initial post 11 MAR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
A few minutes walk from where I live, deep in the woods by the river Torridge is the remains of Dye House. Abandoned 100 years ago, today I discovered by the entrance a couple of shoots of a rose. It has small pointed prickles on the older wood but is very unlikely that it will flower this year. It produces suckers. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what it could possibly be? Needless to say it has been rustled!
Reply #1 of 10 posted 11 MAR 17 by Nastarana
Whatever it might be it does have attractive foliage.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 11 MAR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Indeed, I will just have to wait to see it in flower although it might not be until next year.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 30 JUN by scvirginia
Well, great- now we're ALL impatiently waiting for blooms. Yes, the foliage is quite fine; I like those reddish margins, but have no idea what they might indicate, ancestry-wise.

A nice find.
Reply #7 of 10 posted 30 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
When it stops tipping down with rain outside I will take some better pictures. I don't care if it is something common-place, what fascinates me is just discovering the name of an unknown plant. I would say I have a reasonably good eye and knowlege, but it does not look like any rose I can put my finger on. Just 10 minuites on foot from my door step, I found, 'Paul Lede', 'Turner's Crimson', R carolina 'Plena' and this rose. Then a short drive away a massive multiflora type rose by the side of the road with white flowers and very pretty deep pink buds. And Rosa dumalis, growing in the hedges, when most books say it only grows in the north. Of course none of these are lost, believed extinct or new but they are not common roses, just a few specialist nurseries are selling them. Interesting roses are all around us, where ever we live.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 30 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
Here are some new pictures. Dye House was abandoned by World War I so I would estimate that for a variety of rose to have been bred, marketed and found its way to a remote part of Devon it must have been raised just at the turn of the century or earlier. The people living at the cottage would never have had the money to buy a plant, it would almost certainly have been aquired as a cutting or sucker. I could of course have been an understock, but in the U.K. you only really see laxa or 'Alba Simplex'.
It suckers from the roots and has quite a distinctive row of good sized prickles running along the mid-rib on the back of the leaf and incredibly healthy, not a hint of blackspot on it any where.
The very second a flower opens I will post a picture here.
Reply #9 of 10 posted 1 JUL by scvirginia
With foliage that clean and pretty, it almost doesn't matter what the flower looks like... though I guess it might help with finding an ID. Assuming it ever had a name, and wasn't a no-name volunteer?

I am jealous of your R. carolina plena. It is not in commerce in the U.S., as far as I can tell.


PS There was a period when Manetti was used in England for rootstock, but I don't think that's what you have there?
Reply #10 of 10 posted 1 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
Yes, it is similar to 'Manetti', and similar to other roses too!
Sorry Virginia, I made a mistake, it was cinnamomea 'Plena', not carolina. There is a lots of it growing in a hedgerow where a cottage was until 1900, Patricia helped me identify it last year. If the import/export rules were different I could send you "any amount" of this rose!
Reply #3 of 10 posted 11 MAR 17 by Give me caffeine
"Needless to say it has been rustled!"

Are you saying there was a rustle in the bushes?
Reply #4 of 10 posted 11 MAR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
There was a certain amount of rustling bushes involved and a covert night time operation as the whole area is a nature reserve.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 11 MAR 17 by Give me caffeine
You'd better hope MI5 doesn't have this site under surveillance. ;)
Discussion id : 97-503
most recent 13 FEB 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 FEB 17 by Rosewild
I am the discoverer of "General Vallejo's Yellow Banksiae" Rose and am trying to determine how broadly it is distributed anywhere in the world.
I authored an article detailing its features in the February, 2017 issue of The Rose Letter, Vol. 41, No. 1, pp.6-8. In summary the distinguishing characters are flowers yellow with ca. 75 petals per flower and a diameter of 4.4 cm. with a pedicel ca. 6.5 cm long. So this is larger than the Rosa Banksiae lutea with ca. 40 petals per flower and a diameter of 3.3 cm. with a pedicel ca. 4.2 cm. long. Please contact me if you find this rose with its location: Thanks for your help.
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