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Initial post today by HubertG
I see that my "Dr. Grill" (ex Honeysuckle Nursery, Australia) is now being listed as commercially available by Rose Petals Nursery in Florida. I was wondering whether Rose Petals Nursery's 'Dr. Grill' matches my one and they have listed it here, or whether it has been a simple mix up with where they have listed their rose. It would be exciting if they were the same and they had obtained their stock from an old American named plant.

Also, I notice that my rose is no longer listed as "Dr. Grill" (ex Honeysuckle Nursery, Australia) on the description page but simply as "Dr. Grill". Perhaps that is what has happened.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
HubertG, ask for......Grill..... Using CONTAINS.
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Discussion id : 114-480
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Initial post yesterday by viscount89
One of the BEST roses of all time period. This beauty is easy for beginners and rewarding for the experts. Gorgeous show quality blossoms, tidy stately bush, disease free, continual bloomer, and fragrant. This is the hybrid tea for growers who don't bother with the fussy HTs. Every rose garden should have one!
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Reply #1 of 4 posted today by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I agree.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted today by Jay-Jay
Maybe in the USA, but not over here. Lack of vigor and just a few flowers scattered during the season.
The Climbing form is performing way better over here.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted today by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Most clones of this variety are likely degraded from over production, viral infection, poor selection of budwood.

In happens in the best budded cultivars here over time, but no doubt the largest difference is climate.

Climbing mutations generally only flower once where I garden. In your cooler conditions repeat is probably much improved.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted today by Jay-Jay
You're right Robert, it repeats several times, except for this year, for it was unusually hot and dry.
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Discussion id : 114-470
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Initial post yesterday by Planetrj (zone 11)
This HT is a SPECTACULAR replacement for anyone who has as miserable of time with Peace. This one has it all, which begs to ask, why it's not more popular than It's father (Peace).

Moderate fragrance is exquisite and very floral, like an expensive lady's perfume, notes of freesia and jasmine.

Enormous 6 1/2" flowers with oversized petals stand out amongst the other HT's. JVery heat and humidity tolerant, and quickly repeat blooms. Colors change slightly on warm and cool seasons, showing more pink with temperature fluctuations. Very resistant to Black Spot, resistant to mildew. Stiff very long necks make great long lasting flowers for the vase. Petals are thick and don't ball or collapse in rain.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted yesterday by Rupert, Kim L.
Location, location, location... Wini Edmunds, wife of Fred Edmunds of Edmunds Roses, used to write the catalog descriptions. I waited eagerly for that catalog each year because her descriptions were hysterical! She HATED mauve roses and every description drove that home heavily. But, for this rose..."Poor Garden Party. Fred was judging it at a rose show and a garden writer heard him call it Garden Pity..." or words to that effect. So, no matter how well it's grown, nor how well it's suited to where it's grown, it will always be "Garden Pity" to me.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted yesterday by Planetrj (zone 11)
Kim, that sounds like some wonderful memories, and I would love to have seen those catalogues. I can only imagine how they would've sounded ever-so biased. I feel the same about the green rose, and don't understand how that one gets show coverage..but who am I to judge orher's tastes I suppose. :)
I personally know what you mean regarding personal experience on certain roses and personal 'nicknames' given for them. Coincidentally, I have 'coined' "Peace" as "Piece of".. If you know what I mean.. It seems the nature of our favorite bird here is completely subjective to location across the board. I could go on about how people rave so, about Austin's -including the website itself, for example. I guess that's what makes this site so fun. But rest-assured, when you read one of my reviews, you can know that every last one of them have been long-term tested and have survived zero spray or chemical, and I have no issue with shovel-pruning any one of them who can't hack weekly rainfall year-round, constant humidity above 70%, plentiful Nematodes and fungi.
Have you tried GP own root in your area before? If not, I certainly highly recommend it if you appreciate larger HT's and have the appreciation for a good sniff. :) Also would love to hear more about those Mauve reviews :D
Aloha
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Reply #3 of 9 posted yesterday by Rupert, Kim L.
Thanks. You should search EBay or Amazon to find the older catalogs as they really were hoots! (Blue Nile - The Nile isn't blue and neither is this rose!) No, I grew Garden Party and a slew of others in my old Newhall garden years ago. I am now doing my best to only grow what I wish to breed with in my more coastal, Central California smaller garden, and that requires regular culling and dumping many plants. Thanks for the suggestion. I won't get started on the "English Roses". Suffice it to say there are NONE here.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted yesterday by Planetrj (zone 11)
Agreed! You've got a great idea about eBay. I just wish I had more time to scour those places, but as it is, I have put off these reviews for over a year because of my dislike for technology and my love of the outdoors lol
Maybe someday a great rose site might make a special area where old catalog pages and advertisements for them can be posted. That would be great fun to read!
Since you're in a warm zone, own root should often do well for you then? I've been studying several I have of both, and this one like Mr. L behaves like a completely different plant on it's own roots. Most notably I've seen fragrance and general disease health improve, making no-spray gardening possible for me now. I tossed out plenty as well because of @#! rootstock. Fortunately people are waking up about keeping those fussy ones and putting down the sprayer.
Thank you for your wonderful shares and input! :)
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Reply #5 of 9 posted yesterday by Rupert, Kim L.
The only absolute is there is no absolute. What grows well in one place own root is often garbage own root elsewhere. Many won't grow worth a grain of salt own root while others are so good own root, budding them is a waste of resources. I prefer own root, but grow several which are either better or only possible budded and I will bud things to get them going so they can be spread around. But, I won't avoid something because it requires budding. I probably won't breed with it because I prefer not raising seedlings which won't grow well own root. I don't spray, either. Period. I don't care to be exposed to the chemicals and I won't expose my four Toy Fox Terrors to them, either. My roses invade their "Queendom", as they are all retired show dog/brood bitches.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted yesterday by Planetrj (zone 11)
Amen! I feel that with the fact that our furry family members and garden creatures are as important as our own health. I'm so very pleased to hear you're as adamant as me to not use chemicals. I also have felt the very same in regard to budding used for weak genetics is a waste and a quick buck without regard to it's future grower. Maybe someday.. Own root will be the standard for them, inability to grow on own roots will be a disclaimer required, and they get disqualified for registration if they aren't able to walk at all on their own feet.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted yesterday by Rupert, Kim L.
No one will care about not being able to register a rose. It's only exhibitors who really care about it now. As long as people buy budded roses, they will sell. There are huge areas of the country and much of Europe where own root roses aren't suitable, whether it's due to soil and water types and the root systems' abilities to handle them, or simply the fact the growing season is so short, the plants require that extra vigor to perform. There will always be budded roses, until none sell anywhere.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted yesterday by Planetrj (zone 11)
This is very true. What my thoughts were, was aimed not at using budwood for the purpose of climate/region or pushing limits, but speaking regarding the ones which won't do well because of their poor root systems or weak genetics to handle even hospitable environments. I'm concurring with your mention of that. For instance, I grow/hybridize Brugmansia, and I simply cannot graft a hardy Solanaceae rootstock on it to make it grow in Canada (for example), so every winter, all growers which don't live in hospitable zones take them into winter dormancy. One of the criteria for Brugmansia RHS registration is to have the ability to root well and grow healthy on it's own.
I'm completely "for" using hardy rootstock for pushing geographical boundaries, but when that is the purpose. Not as a permanent crutch, if you see what I am saying. I believe we both agree on that. :)
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Reply #9 of 9 posted yesterday by Planetrj (zone 11)
Quick note about Blue Nile. I feel that way when I look at Wild Blue Yonder, though mine is way out in the jungle, so it truly IS. WBY is a shade of Magenta leaning toward Welch's Grape Purple. Great rose, but nowhere near blue.
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Discussion id : 96-853
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Initial post 14 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
In September 2015 I sowed seeds of this rose collected from plants growing on the South Downs in Sussex in the South East of the U.K. I chilled them for three months then started them off with some gentle bottom heat, but nothing grew. I kept them moist throughout the summer and bought them inside and gave them a little heat about a fortnight ago. Now they are germinating like mustard and cress! I only want a couple of plants for my garden so if other members would like plants too by the autumn of this year they should have made plants large enough for planting out, contact me, you are very welcome to them.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted yesterday by AlanaSC
Do you have any left Andrew?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted today by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Alana,

Yes I do have a few small plants left. But it is illegal for me to send plants to the United States. If I can get seeds again I think I can send you some, However in some parts of the world this rose is an aggressively invasive alien pest so please check that in your region it is not a problem. Sorry to be a bit of a dissapointment.

Regards, Andrew.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by AlanaSC
I'm sorry . I didn't realize you were not in the US. Thank you though!
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