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Initial post 20 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
Half of the nurseries bought like 20-30 Mister Lincolns each, and none of this rose. Holy crap. Why? Mister Lincoln is like 10' here, lol. A few nurseries ordered in 5 or so Lasting Love, which is okay, but completely defoliates here. I will never understand the nursery business mindset.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Mr. Lincoln is a sparse bloomer, so it doesn't use up the calcium/potassium in a pot, esp. for a high-rain climate, which leaches out those nutrients. Mr. Lincoln always look good in a pot at local store.

Firefighter is a heavy bloomer, which depletes calcium/potassium, and it breaks out in blackspot AFTER blooming, unless those minerals are abundant, as in alkaline clay. My Firefighter improved after I moved from acidic potting soil to heavy alkaline clay. So the stingy roses like Mr. Lincoln look really healthy in a pot, but the heavy bloomers: Firefighter, Buxom Beauty can be blackspot-fest after done with blooming.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 21 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
For this area (NW Oregon), Firefighter is healthy enough. Just the lower 1/3rd was affected. 'Velvet Fragrance' was by far the healthiest fragrant red HT I have grown here, but the blooms turn to rice crispies if the sun even looks at it sideways. lol

Mister Lincoln can get up to 2-3" diameter wood here. It is a literal monster. 'Oklahoma's is the same way. The modern garden just cannot accommodate here. My question/rant was more-so local nursery owners not realizing that or reaching out to the local societies for updated information, like they used to do.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
HMF is the best source for info., but I wish folks would specify their soil & climate & planting zone & what region of the country. People want to hold on to "old generalizations", rather than learning. Like nearby rose park, I was shocked to see them dumping sulfur in the spring... they burnt Tamora (prefers alkaline), also induced RRD (rose rosette disease) on Pink Traviata (Meilland rose) which also prefers alkaline. Gypsum is acidic, I killed lots of earthworms using that stuff, and it burns my finger. Gypsum has calcium plus sulfur.

I made the same mistake years ago: dumping sulfur plus high nitrogen chemical fertilizer on a Grandma' Blessing rose, changing my soil pH to acidic. It immediately came down with RRD five years ago. That's the ONLY rose with RRD in my 30+ years of growing roses, among 100+ varieties. I planted Radio Times in the exact spot, but I raised the pH with more alkaline clay, and no RRD ever since. I wish folks would stop generalizations, "Mr. Lincoln for fragrant reds", "roses prefer acidic", and "roses need full-sun". Own-root roses are completely different from each other.
Reply #5 of 6 posted today by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Rice a nice laugh from that lol
Reply #4 of 6 posted 3 FEB by ac91z6
Replying because I want to archive all the information in this post for future reference about Mr. Lincoln and Firefighter. Good information here!
Reply #6 of 6 posted today by Michael Garhart
I would put Claret and Firefighter as the best deep red sniffers sold in North America at the moment, although I know more are coming in the future. I would rate Heart Song behind, although the plant is superior, the scent is only half of the other sniffers.
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Initial post 7 JAN 16 by AquaEyes
Has this been compared to 'Francis E. Lester'?


Reply #1 of 4 posted yesterday by Tearose
I took a piece of FEL with me a few years ago when I was going to San Juan Bautista. I held my piece against the plant there and couldn't find any difference. I'm pretty sure all the old climbers in that part of the park came from Roses of Yesterday, with the clincher being that the rose they had labeled a multiflora turned out to be Laure Davoust, which Francis Lester had found and sold under the name Marjorie Lester.
Reply #2 of 4 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Shall I merge "San Juan Musk" with 'Frances E. Lester'?
Reply #3 of 4 posted yesterday by Tearose
Reply #4 of 4 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Done. (I seem to have a memory of the two of us tiredly resting on a rock somewhere out of Dunedin, New Zealand in 2005 and asking each other: what are you going to do in the future.)
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Initial post 10 days ago by perpetua
how can such a tiny young plant produce such big gorgeous blooms?I'm new to gallicas and the more I see of them,the harder I fall in love!I'm just a tad worried that I won't prune them nicely,but I hope to improve with time.duchesse d'orient will definitely be on my next rose order.
Reply #1 of 6 posted yesterday by Alma
Did you notice, that Duchesse d'Orient is no Gallica? It is sold as a Gallica but probably a Portland Rose.
Reply #2 of 6 posted yesterday by perpetua
No,I hadn't noticed.I'm very new to Gallicas(and to roses in general,only 5 yrs experience),but I love my Portlands;I grow Jacques Cartier,Yolande D'Aragon,Sidonie,Indigo and Comte de Chambord and I adore them all.I'm planning to buy Pergolese and Glendora,Duchesse de Rohan,maybe also Arthur de Sansal this fall.I'm afraid I couldn't for the life of me tell which rose family a plant belongs to.My knowledge and my tastes remain quite rudimentary.With a few exceptions,I'm fairly disappointed with my modern roses;I plan to replace them with old ones.Climbers,again with a few notable exceptions,have been driving me crazy,as I still struggle to give them an appropriate shape(and fail miserably most of the times).Moss roses intrigue me,even though I grow only Salet,which I absolutely adore.Will definitely be buying some Mosses too this fall(william lobb,soupert et notting,henri martin,mme louis leveque)
Reply #3 of 6 posted yesterday by Andrew from Dolton
'Duchesse d'Orient' has little hooked prickles as most portlands do and leaves growing close to the flowers very much like your 'Jaques Cartier' does. If you like gallicas I can give you suckers of 'Rosa Mundi', Officinalis', 'Charles de Mills' and 'Camieux' if you would like. There is a wonderful book called ROSA GALLICA by Suzanne Verrier it can be bought cheaply second hand on Amazon, it will make you want to grow them even more...
Reply #5 of 6 posted yesterday by perpetua
Yes,Jacques does have leaves very close to the flowers!Thank you so much for the offer,but I think I'll start with grafted ones and then have fun making my own cuttings.So far I have managed to root 3 Gruss an Coburg puny cuttings,one Grace and in late April,an Ingrid Bergman red new sprout that I had accidentally broken off.I believe Ingrid has taken root because I've noticed red leaves under the bottle.I'm a bit scared to lift the bottle to know for sure.Thank you so much for the book recommendation,I can use any help I can get with gallicas.
Reply #4 of 6 posted yesterday by Nastarana
Why is the name shown in quotes? Was this a found rose? I agree it looks like a Portland, as witness the drooping, soft leaves.
Reply #6 of 6 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
"Double quotes" is the international signal for a found rose. 'Single quotes', or none, denotes a bred and named rose.
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Initial post 19 NOV 13 by Amy's Idaho Rose Garden
I also did research on Simsalabim. I have wanted it forever and could never get my hands on it.
The word is Scandinavian in origin. Appeared in a America in the 1900 used in a magic show, by a magician named Dante.
And yes Sim Sala Bim = Abracadabra.

Funny I had some thought about how much Simsalabim pictures looked like my Abracadabra!
Thank you Kim for bringing this up.
Reply #1 of 2 posted yesterday by Xoan Mos
I am looking for a rose called abracadabra.
Can anyone point me to where I can get a cutting???
Much appreciated,
Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by AzRoseLady
I do not know about a cutting. You can buy a rooted plant from
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