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21 AUG 21 by
Marlorena
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A gorgeous rose with a delightful scent.. the only drawback is the blooms don't last as long as I would like... the foliage is beautiful especially the new growth which is dark and richly tinted.. throws up numerous basals..
..eastern England, 2021..
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today by
Hamanasu
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Indeed, beautiful and distinctive matt foliage, but was rather blighted by blackspot today in the Queen Mary’s rose garden Regent’s Park. Most other varieties seemed clean — they got rid of many beds of older hybrid teas, and I suppose they only kept more disease resistant ones. The moment someone realises Donatella is not performing for health (not even in the unusually dry spring we’ve been having this year) no doubt she’ll be gone too (sigh). One of the best scented roses there today on a breezy day.
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7 days ago by
 Bug_girl
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This rose roots easily and grows well and vigorously on its own roots. My cutting is 2 years old and in bloom almost constantly during the season.
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#1 of 11 posted
6 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Most Forty-niners are virused. I don't think I've ever seen a clean one. If you have a virus free clone you're very fortunate to find it.
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#2 of 11 posted
4 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Mine came from an 80 year old rose garden. Not saying 49er was there that long but another rose or two were. This also depends on if I've ID'd it correctly. Sure looks like 49er to me! I took the cutting and rooted it myself. If you have any suggestions for what else it might be, please advise.
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#3 of 11 posted
4 days ago by
Bug_girl
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And mine shown no sign of mosaic virus yet!
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#4 of 11 posted
4 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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The timing sounds about right to find a clean specimen of Forty-niner, and it certainly could have lived that long unmolested.
Your photos are still atypical.
We may have to think about it a bit and possibly bring in some of the more experienced OGR people in order to identify. We have to remember that many of the roses of this period were closely related.
Hopefully other will chime in.
I asked Kim to look at your photos and he agrees they are not typical.
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#5 of 11 posted
4 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Excellent! I would really like an ID that is accurate. I was trained in entomology and not roses, but I'm pretty good at ID if I have a good key. I will say that the heat definitely affects the coloration of my roses. There are times that this rose looks just like one I ID'd as Condessa de Sastago. (If anyone wants to take a whack at authenticating its identity, I'd love that too.) If you need any other pictures, a cutting, etc. please let me know. I have begun to love pernetianas and everything that looks like them. My ultimate goal is to help rescue roses, starting with those I find in my older neighborhood that are at risk of extinction due to no longer being in commercial propagation. Correctly identifying them is pretty important so I welcome all feedback. Can you tell me the parts that are "atypical" so I can apply that to my knowledge base? I would like to one day make a dichotomous key for IDing some of these roses so anyone could figure them out, but that's probably a bigger project than I could ever do.
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#6 of 11 posted
3 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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See pictures posted from SJHRG, or older illustrations for typical coloration
Yes, temperature affects color, but in my experience, to the degree illustrated in your photos.
Gregg Lowery is likely the best resource for identifying your variety.
Many of us have known this variety for along time.
The fact that it's easy to propagate without budding is another clue it's not correct.
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#7 of 11 posted
3 days ago by
Bug_girl
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I had ChatGPT analyze what I knew about it with some images and draft a "dossier" as it called it. It even gave it a cute found rouse name. I didn't know that 49er was hard to propagate. Thank you for the response. I can email a copy of the report or copy and paste here but it would be a little longish.
Thank you so much for the help!!!
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#8 of 11 posted
3 days ago by
Bug_girl
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I will move the pictures to a journal entry so they don't cause confusion with known 49er images.
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#9 of 11 posted
3 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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There's a good chance your rose is something more modern.
Don't be surprised if you never come up with a satisfactory answer. There are those that search for the true identity to roses they've found for years. In some cases they assign a new study name and enjoy it none the less.
You'll find many roses posted that way at HMF.
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#10 of 11 posted
today by
Bug_girl
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Thank you for the help and advice. I'm going to keep looking!
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#11 of 11 posted
today by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Surprise!
I noted recently that Certified Roses will is offering 'Forty-niner' in their wholesale catalog for 2026. There's a chance you may find it at a box store near you. I don't know the source of their budwood but I know they have been working to do away with RMV infected propagation materials.
it's an odd, but welcome coincidence.
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today by
Hamanasu
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Warm (20 degrees C or so) but breezy day in the Queen Mary’s rose garden in London’s Regent’s Park today and Claret was by far one of the best scented roses for intensity, comparable to Chandos Beauty, Donatella, Emily Bronte and Konigin von Denmark. Incidentally, many beds of traditional hybrid teas have been removed and replaced with grass, in an obvious bid to make maintenance easier and drop older more blackspot probe varieties. Very sad to see gone, among others, Double Delight, Special Anniversary, Diamond Jubilee and various older DA varieties at the garden’s entrance.
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today by
GoldBeardThePirate
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A beautiful rose thats a warm orange with yellow undertones. The flowers spring sin size when it's warm but keep their spiraled form. I was truing to cross them and removed the sepals one the buds colors book though the bud but had not opened at all and none produced pollen after drying for a day.
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