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Initial post 5 days ago by HubertG
I'm hoping one of the tea ladies can help with this rose. It is planted in the Barbara May Rose Garden at Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney, Australia, so I assume it's a foundling that has been renamed, but I'd like to know what name it has been given so I can look at more photos of it. It appears to be an intermediate between a Tea and a China, bright dark red, and velvety (my photographs don't pick this quality up that well). I've been looking at my photos and the early photos and illustrations of 'Princesse de Sagan' and seeing similarities, I am wondering if they could be the same.
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 5 days ago by Jay-Jay
Maybe better photographing it in the morning- or evening light or on a cloudy day. Better red colors and less UV.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
I agree. It fact I hadn't planned a visit here at all and was just nearby and decided to drop in and it was about noon. I was using my phone to photograph the rose, and dark or bright reds are always difficult to capture accurately with it. None of the roses were labelled. I'm really curious about this one. This photo captures the velvet a bit better but is out of focus.
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 5 days ago by Jay-Jay
It looks (as if) without prickles.
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
It did have thorns, but wasn't overly thorny. You can see a couple on the branch at the top right here.
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 5 days ago by Margaret Furness
Billy Teabag is off air for while.
The garden is looked after by the Sydney branch of Heritage Roses in Australia. I'll send a contact email address via pm.
I don't know if they planted "Camnethan Cherry-red" there. The plant given the study name was collected in Victoria.
To quote (from memory) the Indian Rose Journal: Plants in public gardens should be labelled, as the public like to know what they're stealing.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 days ago by Jay-Jay
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
I have grown "Camnethan Cherry Red" before and my impression was they weren't the same rose.
And I can't believe I forgot to smell it, although simply standing near it I didn't detect a perfume.
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 3 days ago by Patricia Routley
If you were able to find out, I woiuld love to know its “study name” HubertG
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
I sent a message to the lady who should know. I'll post its study name as soon as I find out.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Take a look at the file "J. Datson" (syn :Frank Veal"). Sorry I am not able to search for more info for a couple of days but will get back to it and add whatever I find.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
"J Datson" at Renmark is low-growing, pretty much "just another China". I think the flowers are smaller than in your photos.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted yesterday by HubertG
Just regarding the possibility of this rose being 'Princesse de Sagan':-
There are a few more recently posted early American catalogue photos of PdS (and bear in mind that they MAY not be accurate) which are a bit at odds with the rather shaggy open flowers in the Henry Moon illustration. However looking at this rose at Rookwood, the opening flowers are rather cupped, with a rounded outline that tends to match these photos. The petals only seem to reflex when they are more open. The drawing in the Journal des Roses actually bears a fair resemblance to some of these Rookwood blooms, but the most notable point about this illustration for me is that the bud receptacles are a close match for our rose, as are the spacing and poise of the loose clusters. The bud shown in the Geroge H. Mellem 1906 drawing (which looks to me like it's done from a photo) shows a very similar bud shape. The notable point for me about the Moon painting is that the terminal leaflet is rather long and attenuated (compare to the KAV leaves alongside) and this does match the Rookwood rose (see my 4th photo for a fair example).
Here's another photo of an opening bloom still with its rounded outline. There are about 5 rows of petals and you can just see the stamens. It's interesting that one of the American catalogues call PdS "The crimson Brabant" and I wonder if it is because of this cup shape and it's freedom of bloom.
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Reply #12 of 14 posted yesterday by HubertG
Thanks Patricia, I had a quick look at "J. Datson" which seems to be very similar to 'Cramoisi Superieur'.
The rose I photographed had flowers too large to be a China like that, with blooms maybe 2 1/2" to 3" across (just guessing from memory). Small to medium for a tea but too large for the classic red china class. There were in fact a couple of typical red Chinas in that Rookwood garden, one was small and barely more than single with a white eye from memory.
Edit: I just saw your post, Margaret, yes I agree with you. Here's another photo of the mystery rose.
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Reply #14 of 14 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
The nearly-single China with a white eye has the study name "Jane Vaughn". I no longer have it.
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Initial post 2 days ago by roselover
Both of these photos of mine should be moved to Sutter’s Gold.
Joan Goff. If you let me know when it is done, I will post comments
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Joan, all members are able to move their own photos. Just open the photo, click on REASSIGN on the top left, type in Sutter’s Gold, and then I think the next step is CONTINUE. Voila - you will see the name at the top changed from Talisman to Sutters Gold, and you have done it.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
I noted that the pink and yellow photo has disappeared. Perhaps you had a problem there, so I have moved your other photo out of Talisman and into Sutter's Gold. Hope that is OK.
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Initial post yesterday by bumblekim
This looks similar to Paquerette on the Loubert Rose website.
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Initial post yesterday by bumblekim
Is there any indications that this could be Lindee?
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