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Initial post today by Huyustus
Hello on the LENS ROSES website, it says it's a musk hybrid (rosa moschata).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by jedmar
Yes, that is how it is classed
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Initial post 29 MAR 11 by Michael Garhart
Hi Paul,

Why is it named Little Butch? Its cute, regardless, but I am curious if there is a story to pass on?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 12 FEB 22 by Paul Barden
February 2022: Honestly, I have no recollection of naming this rose. Its obviously just a nickname (its NOT a registered variety, and certainly not by that name) and I haven't a clue why it got called this.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 16 FEB 22 by Michael Garhart
Ah, I think this is the bloom you handed me in your greenhouse. If it is and I recall correctly, it turns a nice mauve with time. I thought it was cute.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 19 FEB 22 by Paul Barden
I don't remember, Michael. Might have been. Not many other possibilities, really.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted today by Paul Barden
I'm curious how this escaped into commerce, as I have not shared this with anyone in the business.
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Initial post today by Bug_girl
This rose is red and not lt pink, and also very double.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted today by Margaret Furness
I think the R rubiginosa label refers only to the hips.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted today by Bug_girl
Thank you! I'm still learning all the things.
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Initial post yesterday by PierreLaPierre
Hello there. Just thought I would add a comment and upload photos of our Park’s Yellow in commerce as that is into its second season in France lower Cévennes zone 8b ish. It was purchased and planted in November 2022 from Loubert as a bare-root assumed grafted onto Laxa. It is currently the most floriferous Rose variety in our gardens and has produced three new shoots around a metre long and the foliage shows not the slightest sign of disease especially black spot which almost all the varieties have to some degree at this time.

There are eight buds and seven open flowers, only the two principal canes appear to have prickles. The flowers are as described here and the scent is definitely strongly citrus- citrus tea. The flower also ressembles Fée Opale; Margaret Furness mentioned this variety to me in previous correspondence when I incorrectly stated that our Parks’ appeared sans prickles. It is non remontant.

PS I read that Parks discovered the original in China along with Banksiae Lutea in 1823/24 so if that is the case is there not a possibility that it could be found again - rediscovered in and around that same area, if the approximate location is known? Just a thought. Excusing myself in advance and putting protective hat on if that has already been explored previously with no positive outcome.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted yesterday by jedmar
Parks supposedly bought this tea rose at the Fa Tee nursery in Canton, so it was not collected in the wild. Fa Tee is known to have brought together plants for sale to the crazy Westerners. The Chinese origin of the rose is thus unknown. Several contenders have been forwarded to be the original Park's Yellow, but I suppose it neeeds DNA analysis of known descendants to be able to make a better guess.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted yesterday by PierreLaPierre
Jedmar thank you for that information. I was just thinking out loud that if the original has been lost in Europe for quite some time then surely somewhere in SE China this variety could be growing not only in the ‘wild’ but private and public gardens? Am I being too simplistic? Today, are there many passionate growers of roses in that area like there are in Europe The US and Australia?
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Reply #3 of 5 posted today by Margaret Furness
Your photos look like a good match for others on the hmf page.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted today by jedmar
Yes, I have Loubert's Parks (bought as Rosa odorata ochtoleuca) - it is identical to the others disseminated by Beales.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted today by PierreLaPierre
Yes Margaret. Realised that this year it’s the bicentenary of the ‘discovery’ / introduction of the original?
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