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'Chianti' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 23-484
most recent 22 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 12 JAN 08 by bob diller
How is Chianti in regards to black spot. I have an organic garden and don't spray. I have admired photo's of this rose for years and would like to add it to my garden. I live smack in the middle of the black spot belt in the Southeast US.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 28 SEP 16 by cakemiks
Did you ever try it? Blackspot is also a big issue where we live in NC.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 NOV by Michael Garhart
In the early 2000s, this rose showed up grafted with other Austins at a local high end nursery in the Portland Metro. They were defoliated by June in their huge pots. Looking back, I can't recall if it was from black spot or downy. They look alike at that time of year here. It's too hard to inspect things up close at nurseries. I recall this because it was my first time seeing it and my impression was "ew...".
Discussion id : 115-869
most recent 24 MAR 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 MAR 19 by jc_7a_MiddleTN
What can I expect the growth habit of Chianti to be if I don't offer it any support?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 MAR 19 by Marlorena
Hi jc…

I've just uploaded a photo of an unsupported 'Chianti' from a garden in England.. I don't know if this is of any relevance to you where you are, but you might like to have a look and see...
Reply #2 of 2 posted 24 MAR 20 by jc_7a_MiddleTN
Thank you, Marlorena! That is extremely helpful!
Discussion id : 115-750
most recent 24 MAR 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 MAR 19 by Marlorena
This rose was not introduced as 'Chianti' but as 'Kashmiri'... it is shown in an old David Austin rose catalogue dated 1968. The price of the rose was then 10s 6d in old UK money, now that would be the princely sum of 52 and a half pence or about 70 cents US...
Reply #1 of 9 posted 20 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
Marlorena, are you able to find that 1968 reference again?
I have had a 'Chianti' search and found that the American Rose Annual were listing it (as Chianti) in the New Roses of the World in 1968, but with a weird parentage. Actually the parentage varied so much for 'Chianti' that in 2005 I queried the company and got the message that David thought he would have been more likely to use 'Tuscany Superb' rather than 'Tuscany'. These differing parentages included
'Cardinal de Richelieu' x 'Dusky Maiden'
R. macrantha x 'Vanity'
'Dusky Maiden x 'Tuscany'
Reply #2 of 9 posted 20 MAR 19 by Marlorena
Hi Patricia,
Sorry for the delay in getting back... I'll quote below from the catalogue as I'm sure Michael Marriott won't mind me doing that.... I got this information from his Instagram page, which is full of great photos and I noticed he showed a photo of this old catalogue which he obtained and highlighted the changes in names..
Here is a link to Michael's Instagram page if you need to check... the catalogue photos are 9th row down..

Here is what it says for Chianti,... on page 18
''KASHMIRI this beautiful shrub rose is in the same tradition as Constance Spry and although it has received less publicity, it is almost the equal of that rose. The colour is rich wine-red and it has a powerful true rose fragrance. The flowers, which open cupped and reflex later, have a charming formality and are produced with very great freedom on a well-formed shrub. 10/6.''

I presume the names changed the following year with the introduction of his 'English Rose' designation for repeat blooming roses, or whichever year that was, I don't know exactly when the first English Rose term was used, I suppose he felt the new names were more appropriate.

I'll post up the other details for Shropshire Lass on that page..
Reply #3 of 9 posted 21 MAR 19 by billy teabag
There is a great article in the latest (March 2019) 'By Any Other Name'- Remembering David Austin by Charles Quest-Ritson.
I hope it is ok to quote from it here:
"David was careful to conceal the parentages of his roses. Each was carefully recorded in a small notebook that he carried at all times, but the exact details would not be published until a cultivar was well-established in cultivation and he had exhausted its potential for the development of further generations of English roses. He was not above dissimulation: he let it be thought that the pollen parent of his early once-flowering hybrid 'Chianti' was 'Marcel Bourgouin' (other breeders thought it was 'Vanity', Pemberton 1920). In February 1970, he wrote in the RHS Journal that 'Chianti' came from a cross between 'Cardinal de Richelieu' and 'Dusky Maiden'.
Eventually he conceded that its parentage was 'Dusky Maiden' × 'Tuscany'." page 3
Reply #4 of 9 posted 21 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
Thank you for that Marlorena. I had wondered if ‘Kashmiri’ was another seedling from the same hip, but Michael Marriot would certainly know. I have added ‘Kashmiri’ as a synonym for ‘Chianti’, and added the reference. Theoretically I should alter the “Introduced” details, but the database will only accept one name per nursery, so we will leave it as - Introduced as ‘Chianti’.

Thank you too Billy for the Quest-Ritson article. (I had in fact copied the same paragraph to add, but then had a power blackout from all the storms around and so spent the rest of the day out in the garden.) I suspect we might be needing the various articles over the years as we try to identify the Austin roses in the future and will add a few to the breeder’s page as I see them. I like Charles’ polite word “dissimulation”. I would have used another. ‘Marcel Bourgouin’ as a parent of ‘Chianti’ is a newie to me.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 23 MAR 19 by Nastarana
Is the Quest-Ritson article available on line?
Reply #6 of 9 posted 24 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
Yes. In The World Federation of Rose Societies website, in the Conservation and Heritage tab, in the latest issue of ‘By Any Other Name’
Reply #9 of 9 posted 24 MAR 19 by Nastarana
Thank you for the reference. I was interested to read in Quest-Ritson's article about how Austin always chose names for his roses. One selling point for me, and I suspect other American gardeners, was that while English roses had names in English that any of us could pronounce, they were not the embarrassing "cute" monikers favored by the clueless MBAs who seemed to be in charge at J&P and Weeks.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 24 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
Marlorena, I just wanted to tell you that I came across (and added) the 1976 reference which mentions the two names.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 24 MAR 19 by Marlorena
I see it, thanks Patricia... I expected nothing less of Humphrey Brooke...
Discussion id : 85-784
most recent 8 JUN 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 JUN 15 by Hovman
Tip Hardy for Toronto - Strong old rose fragrance
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