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'Dr. F. G. Chandler' rose Reviews & Comments
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24 MAR 17 by
 billy teabag
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A question for anyone who grows this rose under either of its names - 'Dr F.G. Chandler' or 'Dickson's Red'.
Do you know the provenance of the rose you grow? Do you know whether it has an unbroken link to the name or if it is a re-identified foundling?
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#1 of 3 posted
26 MAR 17 by
Patricia Routley
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Dear Billy,
I don’t have ‘Dickson’s Red’ but have read the Proof of the Puddings and the References and I cannot get over the variable reports. The ratings over 4 years only ever made 51.2% approval with 139 people reporting. So it wasn’t terribly popular.
The petalage and texture was variable – they mostly say it was fairly fragrant though.
The colour wobbled around from: an even shade, holds colour well, to fades, to vile purple, and unpleasant magenta.
The stem was described as long, strong, erect, thin, weak, wiry.
Prickles – few to somewhat thorny.
Growth: Good growth, fair growth, not very robust, strong grower, spindly.
Likes Hot and dry. Does not like hot weather, good in autumn (they all are!)
A couple of mentions of exhibition class. I would have thought it was a decorative.
Most puzzling is Hazlewood’s comment in the 1947 ref:
p15-7 Dr. F.G. Chandler (Dickson's Red in U.S.A.) (A. Dickson) [Mentioned as recipient of "All America Rose Selection" award.]
I just can’t jell that with a popularity of 51.2%
The Patent said “Base of petal (Aiglet) very small.” It would be good to have a plateful of petals photo from someone?
The patent also said “rags in center” and petals “deeply cleft” but I cannot see any cleft petals in any photo.
Patent: stamens red. (many red roses have red stamens)
Patent: leaves smooth under.
I found a new photo and put that on.
If one thinks a foundling might be ‘Dickson’s Red’, (as we do) then it seems we might need some extra help from people who grew this rose.
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#2 of 3 posted
26 MAR 17 by
Patricia Routley
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If you are visiting Renmark at any time, David Ruston was offering budwood of Dickson's Red' in The Australian Rose Directory 1999 page 140. It might, or might not, still be in his garden. It was not listed by any nursery in the same publication.
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#3 of 3 posted
27 MAR 17 by
billy teabag
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Thanks Patricia!
A couple of years ago some members of the SA Rose Society spent a weekend checking for labels on David's older HTs. I'll try to find out whether they found 'Dickson's Red'.
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26 MAR 17 by
Patricia Routley
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1939 American Rose Annual
p243. New Roses of All The World. Great Britain and Ireland.
'Dicksons Red'. HT (A. Dickson & Sons, 1938; to be intro. in U.S. by Jackson & Perkins) Bud ovoid; flower large double, cupped, lasting, intensely fragrant (spicy, lasting), velvety crimson-scarlet, on long strong stem. Foliage abundant, leathery, dark green. Vigorous (2 to 2 1/2 ft.), upright, bushy, open habit; profuse, continuous bloomer all season.
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23 APR 16 by
billy teabag
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Full description from the patent documents:
"The following is a detailed, description of the new variety, the color terminology being in accord with Ridgway's Color Standard.
Parentage:
Seed parent.—Unnamed (Richmond x unnamed seedling).
Pollen parent.—Unnamed seedling.
Classification:
Botanic—.Hybrid Tea.
Commercial.—Hybrid Tea.
Flower
Blooming habit:
Observations made in the morning of June 30, 1938, at Newark, New York.
Blooms in the fall.
Recurrent.—Continuous.
Bud:
Size.—Medium.
Form.— Long. Unaffected by wet or hot weather.
Color.—When sepals first divide—Velvety Bordeaux, Plate 12. When petals begin to unfurl—Ox Blood Red, Plate 1, suffused with Carmine, Plate 1. When petals half blown: inside of petals—Carmine, Plate 1, with overcast of Ox Blood Red, Plate 1; reverse of petals—between Bordeaux, Plate 12, and Pomegranate Purple, Plate 12.
Sepals.—Branched, "hood" above bud. Curl back when half open.
Calyx.—Shape—funnel. Size—small, slender. Aspect—smooth.
Peduncle.—Length—long. Aspect—smooth. Color—Cress Green, Plate 31. Strength-stiff, erect, slender.
Opening.—Bud opens well. Is not affected by adverse conditions.
Bloom:
Size.—Large. Average size when fully expanded—4"-5".
Borne.—Several together.
Stems.—Medium length, strong.
Form.—When first open—globular. Permanence—outer petals curl back slightly.
Petalage.—Double (full but open center). Many petals and stamens hidden. Number of petals under normal conditions—35.
Color.—Center of flower—between Carmine, Plate 1, and Ox Blood Red, Plate 1, with velvety overcast. Outer petals—Carmine, Plate 1, with velvety overcast of Ox Blood Red, Plate 1. Base of petals (aiglet), very small—Straw Yellow, Plate 16. Inside of petals—Carmine, Plate 1, with velvety over¬cast of Ox Blood Red, Plate 1. Reverse of petals—between Bordeaux, Plate 12, and Pomegranate Purple, Plate 12. General tonality from a distance—Deep Velvety Red (general color terminology).
Discoloration.—At end of first day—Ox Blood Red, Plate 1. Second day—Carmine, Plate 1. Third day—Carmine, Plate 1.
Petals:
Texture.—Thick. Unaffected by wet or hot weather.
Appearance.—Inside—velvety. Outside— shiny.
Form.—Oval, scalloped.
Arrangement—Informal (with "rags" in center). Three outside petals shorter and deeply cleft and three inside petals similar.
Persistence.—Drop off cleanly.
Fragrance.—Strong. Nature—fruity (Russet apple). Other fragrance—a sharp persistent fragrance.
Lasting quality.—On plant and as cut flower—long.
Genital organs:
Stamens, anthers.—Many. Color—Primuline Yellow, Plate 16. Arrangement—regular around styles.
Stamens, filaments (threads).—Medium length. Color—Ox Blood Red, Plate 1.
Pollen.—Wax Yellow, Plate 16.
Styles.—Bunched, medium length, thin.
Stigmas.—Color—Straw Yellow, Plate 16.
Ovaries.—All enclosed in calyx. Fruit: Variety is fertile with its own pollen.
Plant
Form: Bush.
Growth: Vigorous, branching, compact. Foliage: Number of leaflets—3-5.
Size.—Large.
Quantity.—Abundant.
Color.—New foliage: center-Dark Cress Green, Plate 31, and mid-rib and edge-Hay's Maroon, Plate 13; under side—Mineral Red, Plate 27. Old foliage: upper side—Yew Green, Plate 31; under side— Light Cress Green, Plate 31.
Shape.—Oval pointed.
Texture.—Upper side—leathery, smooth. Under side—rough. ribs and veins—prominent.
Edge.—Serrated (saw toothed).
Serration.-—Single, small.
Rachis.—Color—Cress Green, Plate 31. Under side—smooth.
Stipules.—Medium length, bearded.
Disease resistance.—Resistant.
Wood:
New wood.—Color—Mineral Red, Plate 27. Bark—smooth.
Old wood.—Color—Cress Green, Plate 31. Bark—smooth. Thorns (thorns are divided into thorns, prickles and short needles):
Thorns.—Quantity: on main stalks from base—few; on laterals from stalk—none. Form—narrow base, medium length, hooked downward. Color when young—Hessian Brown, Plate 13. Position — irregular.
Prickles.—On main stalks—few. On laterals—few. Color—Hessian Brown, Plate 13.
Short needles.—Quantity: on main stalks— few; on laterals—few."
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22 JUL 10 by
Michael Garhart
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From the patent:
"Parentage:
Seed parent.—Unnamed (Richmond x un-
named seedling).
Pollen parent.—Unnamed seedling.
Classification:
Botanic.—Hybrid Tea.
Commercial.—Hybrid Tea. 35"
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22 JUL 10 by
RoseBlush
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