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"The Bishop rose Reviews & Comments
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Has anyone else noticed the rose below?
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.20194&tab=1
It seems to be rather similar to "Double Plum", or perhaps some of the others going around as "The Bishop".
:-)
~Christopher
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You are comparing a Damask (La Negresse) with possibly a Hybrid China (“Double Plum”
To compare the two roses, we have to look closer (and these are generalities only as far as I understand them)
Is the HIP long and thin, narrowly elliptical and tapering as in a damask?
Or is it round like a gallica?
LEAVES: Does there seem to be a soft hairiness on the upper surface of the leaves as in a damask?
Or are the leaves usually smooth as in a hybrid china
LEAF EDGE: does the leaf edge have no glands as in a damask?
and I am not sure what sort of leaf edge a hybrid china should have.
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#2 of 3 posted
6 JAN 16 by
 AquaEyes
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There is a problem with your line of assessment. You're beginning from the assumption that the rose growing under the name 'La Negresse' is correct, AND is correctly called a Damask. There are quite a few roses that were/are called "Damasks" which really aren't. The pictures under 'La Negresse' look to me to be more like a Gallica/China along the lines of 'Cardinal de Richelieu' or 'Ombree Parfait'. So trying to match "Double Plum" to the "classic" Damask characteristics isn't the route I'd choose, since even 'La Negresse' doesn't have these characteristics. I'm saying, "look at the pictures" to see if this is the same rose under both names. If not, there are quite a few other "found" roses of a similar type which could also be compared.
:-)
~Christopher
P.S. I found this very interesting page which illustrates what I'm saying.
https://blog.staudenundrosen.de/rosenvergleiche-startseite/dunkle-alte-rosen/
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Yes I was assuming Christopher. But the earlier references called ‘La Negresse’ a damask and I didn’t stop to take into account Damasks are normally pink or white. I don’t grow either rose, so I can’t help further.
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I note that Rogue Valley Roses sells a china as "the Bishop" and also attributes the name "Velours Episcopal" to this same rose. Are these in fact identified as being one-and-the-same mauve china?
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