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"Rosa moschata Graham Thomas's Musk" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 113-145
most recent 19 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 SEP 18 by JasonSims1984
This is a great rose. It is nice and bushy, and I just like it so much more than a lot of modern grafted roses. Mind you, a hardy, own root hybrid tea is a very special thing. Only a few perform well for me, and interestingly enough, Blue Girl and Blue Moon do very well, as do several Hybrid Perpetual and Moss roses and other OGRs. Purple is my favorite color and coincidentally purple roses grow well for me. My aesthetic is very species oriented, and once again, species grow well for me. So it may be a chicken or the egg situation. Maybe they do well for me because I like them a lot so I take better care of them, or maybe they are better growers for me so I have adopted a soft spot for them. Both sides of that equation are probably true.

I'm hoping to get a cross of moschata x rugosa this year to send to someone, and to keep for myself. Probably the closest thing to that in existence is the gootendorst roses. It would be nice to get a direct species cross to capitalize on fragrance, hardiness, remontancy, and disease resistance. I can see a lot of potential there.

I would love to recreate the damask as rugosa x moschata x fedtschenkoana. It would normally have gallica instead of rugosa, but gallica is a once bloomer. With rugosa in the cross, all parents would be rebloomers and that would mean a nice steady reblooming fragrant damask type rose with improved cold tolerance. A lot of people would say I'm basically wasting my time making such primitive crosses, but a nice perfected species cross with a clean bloodline free of disease sources would be a good starting point to base a hybridizing program. Some of the nicest roses are very simple.
Discussion id : 91-330
most recent 6 MAR 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 MAR 16 by true-blue
Rosa moschata (syn.: m. var. R. nastarana), musk rose (Pers. nastaran), a climbing shrub, 10-12 m high, with white flowers growing in corymbs or cymes and rarely solitarily. This species is “at present only known in cultivation and [is] often naturalized in Southwest Asia, North Africa, and South Europe…. According to some authors, its country of origin is the Mediterranean [area], and according to others it is Iran” (Zieliński, p. 26). As nastaran-e širāz(i) “Shiraz musk rose,” it is cultivated in many places in Persia, particularly in Fārs, where the fragrant ʿaraq-e nastaran (musk rose distillate, see GOLĀB) is extracted and commercialized.
Discussion id : 87-705
most recent 6 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 SEP 15 by AquaEyes
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Discussion id : 84-790
most recent 9 MAY 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 MAY 15 by mmanners
A small correction may be in order. I see a rose listed here as Rosa moschata 'Graham Thomas Old Musk'. I'm not sure where this form of the name comes from, but I am getting some flack for "naming" a rose after Mr. Thomas, when David Austin already uses the name for 'Ausmas'.

Many years ago, we imported this rose from Peter Beales. Since it was the single form of the musk rose, apparently identical to the single musks found in the Carolinas and Virginia, we called this one "Graham Thomas's Musk" to differentiate it from anybody else's musk -- using his name strictly in the possessive form, to indicate its discoverer/introducer. Since then, the name has morphed in several ways. But for good clarity, I'd suggest that we continue to refer to it as "Graham Thomas's Musk," and then ONLY if it is a plant whose known provenance is that original plant of Mr. Thomas's. The name should not be associated with any of the American finds by John and Marie Butler, Ruth Knopf, Charles Walker, and others, since it merely indicates provenance, not a unique variety.

Thanks for considering it!
Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 MAY 15 by Patricia Routley
Name changed. Please check that the foundling "double quotes" are in order.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 MAY 15 by mmanners
Thanks! That looks good.
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