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'Café' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 50-080
most recent 30 NOV 10 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 NOV 10 by John Moody
I have two young Julias Rose plants. They both produce flowers with very good scent and the growth habit is very upright. The foliage is more of the matte dull green color and in my opinion is a bit sparse and could be more dense. The stems are spaced a bit too far apart. However, that could improve a bit as the bushes mature over the next couple of years. My Julia's Rose plants have 5 leaflet sets as I remember.
I have tried to grow Cafe twice and both times the plant didn't survive the first year. The first plant lived until winter and succumbed to the winter temps even though it was overwintered in my unheated garage. I generally don't lose any of my "Pot Ghetto" overwintering in the garage but that particular year I lost 20 for some unknown bizarre reason, so I won't blame that on the rose. The second try with a Cafe plant was short lived as the own root plant I received only lived about 4 months. It was never vigorous and just faded away slowly. That was two years ago--2008--and I would like to give Cafe one more try before giving up on it completely.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 28 NOV 10 by Rosaholic's Southern California Garden
The brown-violet roses all seem to have a hard time growing on their own roots (at least for me). If you can get any of these brown/violet roses on a suitable rootstock for your climate (or graft them yourself), you will be pleased, I think. I am growing Julia's rose on it's own roots, and my experience is similar to yours -- not a particularly vigorous plant. I just got a plant of Cafe grafted on Pink Clouds by Burling (which is an excellent cold weather very vigorous rootstock by the way), and it looks like it is going to be a winner. Try Burlington roses, and see what she can do for you -- she also does custom grafting.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 29 NOV 10 by billy teabag
Our 'Julia's Rose', growing in a warm - hot climate, sounds just like your descriptions. It's budded onto Fortuniana, which will often help with vigour, but this rose is not what I'd call a garden-worthy rose. It's not unhealthy, but quite sparse and spindly.
I think you're right about the brown/violet roses.
One for the cutting bed with the other ones we grow for the blooms and forgive the shortcomings of the bush?
I wonder if anyone can report a vigorous, well foliated plant of 'Julia's Rose'.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 30 NOV 10 by John Moody
I do agree that the brown/russet/violet roses seem to be poorer growers on their own roots. Most all of them I have grown seem to need a good rootstock under them. The one exception is the Terracotta HT that is a sport of the HT florist rose Leonidas. My Terracotta's and one other I have seen in person grow quite well on their own roots with no problem, including being very winter hardy with no added help from me in my zone 5b/6a area. I also grow Leonidas and I almost cannot believe that Terracotta is a sport of that bush. Terracotta is ten times the plant and rose that Leonidas has ever hoped to be. Terracotta is more vigorous, winter hardy, heavier blooming, has better flowers, denser foliaged, and way more disease resistant than Leonidas is. There is just no comparison between the two for me. It is a shame because I think when people see Terracotta is a sport of Leonidas they assume it is very like the parent except for the color which it is not in any way. Even the petal pigmentation is much better on Terracotta than Leonidas. And, Terracotta will set OP hips and I have never had any luck at all trying Leonidas as a pollen or seed parent either one. In short, I just have a hard time believing that Terracotta is a sport of Leonidas because there are way too many differences 'tween the two.
But, most of the brown/russet/coffee/lavender roses just aren't good doers on their own roots. Of course we shouldn't forget the brown floribunda Hot Cocoa of course. It too grows well own-root or budded either one and it seems to pass that vigor to it's offspring. I have seen some gorgeous huge bushes of Hot Cocoa that were own-root that were better than those budded onto multiflora or even fortuniana.
I have heard of using Pink Clouds as an understock but haven't seen any in person. I think I might try to purchase a couple of plants of Pink Clouds and give it a try myself.
Discussion id : 28-920
most recent 10 APR 09 SHOW ALL
Initial post 13 JUL 08 by kahlenberg
this is a lovely rose, despite the fact that there is no scent at all. it is very good as a pot plant, rather disease-resistant and produces an enormous amount of flowers, which resent being exposed to strong sunlight because it´s tender petals dry out . can be easily grown from cuttings. rather a polyantha than a floribunda.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 8 APR 09 by Benaminh
I disagree, there is a good medium scent. The fragrance is similar to those of wild roses: somewhat musky, sweet, with a light citrus topnote that carries well in still morning mist. 'Cafe' smells very similar to 'Fruhlingsanfang' and some species hybrids. Some people might not like the fragrance because it borders very slightly on body odor. I like everything about this rose, and the scent only makes it more unique.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 9 APR 09 by jedmar
Some nurseries supply 'Julia's Rose' instead of 'Cafe'. Perhaps the origin of the difference in fragrance?
Reply #3 of 6 posted 9 APR 09 by Benaminh
I purchased 'Cafe' from Ashdown; haven't grown 'Julia's Rose' but do remember seeing it at the Huntington Rose Garden. If I am not mistaken, 'Julia's Rose' is a bigger flower as befitting a Hybrid Tea and also has less petals. I also think 'Cafe' has shinier leaves due to its R. kordesii heritage. The growth pattern is also different. 'Cafe' tends towards horizontal while 'Julia's Rose' is more vertical. I do not have both of them side by side for an accurate comparison, but if memory serves correctly, that's how I would differentiate between the two.... As for fragrance, I don't recall anything about 'Julia's Rose.' Kim Rupert would be a good arbiter on this discussion since he has a fondness for, and collects, unusual colored roses.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 10 APR 09 by kahlenberg
maybe you´re right about the scent, as some scents are rather elusory to some people, especially when it comes to roses. the ratings of charles de mills´s scent, reaching from none to strong is a well known phenomenon for example.

i grow both café and julia´s rose and to me they both are non-fragrant so this fact wouldn´t help me to distinguish the two, but they differ a lot in other points. maybe i manage to take some pictures of the young leaves (which is all there is at this time of year) - julia´s three to five leavelets are of a strong red, while the color of café´s seven is a fresh, grasslike green.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 10 APR 09 by jedmar
That would be an excellent help for those who are uncertain which rose they have actually received.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 10 APR 09 by HMF Admin
Yes, that would be a great help !
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