'Rouge Formidable' rose References
The plant directory of the Landscape Park Schönbusch near Aschaffenburg of 1783 includes a rose list which gives new insights into "early Roses". This was first published by Mr. Albert Jost in the Magazine Zandera (2010).
The directory is the earliest known document to date that lists new Roses with French names in a considerable scope. This type of name-giving was typical for Daniel August Schwarzkopf, the Court Gardener at Kassel. Many roses which are liste in the Schönbusch Directory were oviously obtained from Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe, Hesse, as several of the listed sorts were provenly obtained there. Moreover Christian Bode, the Court Gardener in Schönbusch, had came there in 1781 from Kassel, where he had been educated in the princely gardens.
For this reason, several of the early roses which were thought to be of Dutch or French origin, should be assumed now to be German obtentions.
'Aimable Rouge' (1783)
'Rose Incomparable' (1783)
'Belle sans Flatterie' (1783)
'Manteau Pourpre' (1783)
'Soleil Brillant' (1783)
Book (Apr 1999) Page(s) 50.
Manteau Pourpre [under the entry for 'L'Évêque', of which Jules Gravereaux says this rose is a sub-variety.]
Book (Apr 1999) Page(s) 35.
Rouge Formidable ('Aldégonde', 'André Du Pont', 'Belle Bourbon', 'Du Pont', 'Dupont', 'Grande Condé', 'Manteau Pourpre', 'Manteau Rouge', 'Pontiana', 'Porcia', Pourpre Cramoisi', 'Violet Brillant') Translation: "Formidable Red". The author cites information from different sources... crimson... violet purple... fiery red...
Book (Jul 1998) Page(s) 96-97. Includes photo(s).
Manteau Pourpre Before 1811. Synonyms: Manteau rouge (after Pirolle, 1826). Manteau royal (after Noisette, 1826). In the collections of L'Haÿ and Sangerhausen...'Manteau pourpre' is attributed to Vibert, 1823. It seems that this in an error. ...this variety is mentioned by Guerrepain, in 1811, who gives the following description: "The bloom...is of a very elegant form; its colour is of great freshness, of a deep and brilliant pink. It is not very double, but exhales a very agreable fragrance. The petals on the circumference of the bloom are edged with a darker red than that of Mahoeca; the reverse is glazed, it is without doubt this distinctive mark which has given it the name Manteau Pourpre, which hardly fits, as it is not purple; the petals are frizzy, cut, placed on the calyx with grace...The foliage is elongated, deeply serrated, brilliant green. The calyx of the bloom is round, finely formed." The specimens at L'Haÿ and Sangerhausen do not seem to correspond to this description; for this reason we do not propose any [description].
Book (Jul 1998) Page(s) 305.
Aldegonde Included in the collection of the Luxembourg Garden around 1852-1860.
Book (Jul 1998) Page(s) 306.
Belle Bourbon (Descemet). 'Nouvelle Bourbon' (Vibert) Gallica. Included in the collection of the Luxembourg Garden around 1852-1860.
Book (1990) Page(s) 40. Includes photo(s).
Manteau Royal Gallica. Descemet 1810. Description... bright red with fiery purple shadings...
Book (1936) Page(s) 98.
Bourbon, Belle (Provins) ? ? ; purple-violet.
Book (1936) Page(s) 168.
Condé Grand (Provins) ? ? ; violet-purple = Rouge formidable.
Book (1936) Page(s) 450.
Manteau pourpre (Provins) Vibert 1823; purple-red