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'All Ablaze ™' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 101-916
most recent 4 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 3 JUL 17 by Claire C
All Ablaze is an outstanding rose in my hot and dry New Mexico garden. Performing well against a hot white wall under blazing sun and often triple digit heat, it continues to bloom in velvety red clusters all up and down the bush. The spring flush was spectacular, as was last year's fall display (plus it continues to bloom in between). Not yet trained on a trellis or support (it basically leans against the wall of the house), it has taken on a graceful arching fountain shape, with a large leader cane going straight up the wall to add height. There is no fragrance, but as a showy display rose, it is wonderful. Foliage is abundant and healthy with no spraying. A definite winner!
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 JUL 17 by Nastarana
'Cl Sun Flare' in CA had for me the same growth habit as you describe for 'All Ablaze'. I don't know if it is significant, but both have 'Sunsprite' in their close lineage.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 JUL 17 by Nastarana
This rose appears to rapidly be departing from commerce in the USA. I doubt if more than one or two of the listed retail nurseries on the Buy From page still have it

Patent will not expire till 2022. Please keep this beauty alive!!

I would love to have a vigorous red climbing floribunda, which is what your description and the lineage lead me to suspect ought to be the classification. Now that Tantau's 'Fountain' cannot be found, this would appear to be a good substitute.

I wonder if Edmonds could be persuaded to offer it? If grafted to Dr. Huey or multiflora, it ought to be possible to at least zone 5.
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Discussion id : 30-863
most recent 14 OCT 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Parentage for "Seedling of Rosa soulieana Crépin", as shown in this lineage, is described by Tom Carruth in the 2008 American Rose Annual Magazine as,

"{[Zorina x (Rosa soulieana x Europeana)] x Sunsprite}"
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Reply #1 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by HMF Admin
Robert,

fyi, HMF lineage is completely dynamic so we need only change the parentage of the one rose 'Rosa soulieana Crépin' to {[Zorina x (Rosa soulieana x Europeana)] x Sunsprite} as you have noted and all these roses will be updated.

Thanks !
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Reply #2 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Great! thank you, yes, it's a fascinating article in which Carruth explains the story of how this seedling came to be, how it was accidentally preserved, and the lineage.

I think you'll note 'Flutterbye' pedigree is simply stated now as "Playboy x soulieana" so may not be affected when you make the change.

Also please check the lineage for 'Reba K. Rowland'. I made a note regarding the substitution of 'Mariana' for 'Marina' as shown in the article. It's likely a typo but I don't know which reference is correct.

Sorry for all the redundancy but I try to be thorough. ;-)
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Reply #3 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by HMF Admin
Robert,

We've added this parentage - how does it look ?
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Reply #4 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Something's wrong. The parentage bloodline feature isn't working so I can't confirm whether soulieana made it into the mix. We should be able to find it.

Also this change didn't seem to affect the other parentages listed so far.

Take a look at 'Long Tall Sally'. That one will need special attention too.

Thanks
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Reply #6 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by HMF Admin
Robert,

Let work with a single example as the others will follow suit. Please pick a rose, preferably one with a simple parentage, and explain what you are expecting (why you think our update is not working).

Please note adding the parentage you specified will not change the parentage list on the main page but will be reflected in the parentage tree.

Thanks for your time.
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Reply #5 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by jedmar
Rosa soulieana Crépin is a species. The named parentage is that of the seedling. When one adds the seedling as an item, it should work.

Robert, please check whether all Carruth cultivars mentioned in the article are captured correctly.
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Reply #7 of 15 posted 12 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
The parentage bloodline seems to be working correctly now. As you can see R. soulieana lineage is relatively distant in this seedling.

"Seedling of R. soulieana", now seems a misnomer. Derivative might be a better description.

Jedmar is correct . I'll try to verify accuracy but each listing will have to be confirmed once the master listing is complete.

I see that 'Flutterbye' and 'Long Tall Sally' still need to be updated to reflect, "Seedling of R. soulieana" as pollen parent. Once those are added I think most of the others will fall into place.

Thanks, Robert
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Reply #8 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Cass
Robert, does All Ablaze look right?
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Reply #10 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Yes, I think it's correct now.
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Reply #9 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Cass
Is this same Souliana hybrid, {[Zorina x (Rosa soulieana x Europeana)] x Sunsprite}, is in the parentage of Flutterbye and Long Tall Sally?
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Reply #11 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Yes, thank you.
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Reply #12 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Cass
So the question is, Robert,....is the information better conveyed with the parentage shown in Flutterbye, where if you click on Hybrid of R. souliana, we see Carruth's seedling...
or
Should we show the parentage in full for each rose, Flutterbye and Long Tall Sally, with the full parentage laid out but the fact that it was a single unique seedling in all three roses not shown?
or
If HMF has a unique name for this seedling (did Carruth call it anything in particular?) like "Carruth's Soulieana Seedling," then at least the pages for Long Tall Sally, Flutterbye and All Ablaze would show Tom Carruth's name associated with the unique seedling.
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Reply #13 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
According to the article it looks like Jack Christensen created the seedling, "Hybrid of R. soulieana". I like the way the parentage is shown in 'Flutterbye'. I think the seedling ought to have some kind of name.

Carruth doesn't use a study name for this seedling in the article but undoubtedly he has one. You might want to ask him how he thinks it would best be represented.

No doubt patent applications would give more information.

As I said I think the seedling might be considered a soulieana derivative at best.

It would be nice if you could get permission to reprint the article. It's a fascinating story.

Take a look at the article Pg. 38 American Rose 2008 Annual. Thanks, Robert
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Reply #15 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Cass
I will look at the Annual, Robert. Thanks for this excellent information. The patent application for Long Tall Sally describes the seedling as "An undisseminated seedling of my creation," which suggest Carruth created the seedling, not Christensen.
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Reply #14 of 15 posted 14 OCT 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I just noticed this under the notes from 'Flutterbye'.


"Weeks Roses lists the Parentage as Playboy x seedling derivative of Rosa soulieana."

It seems "seedling derivative of Rosa soulieana" might be a better name.
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Discussion id : 20-304
most recent 12 JUL 07 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 JUL 07 by Candice K. Haase
I would like to know if All Ablaze can handle the cold winter's Zone 5b can dish out. Anyone know?
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Discussion id : 18-080
most recent 18 APR 07 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 APR 07 by CarolynB
I've read that All Ablaze doesn't like tropical climates. Does anyone know if it likes hot, dry climates (like zone 9 in California)?

I love its shade of red, and I'm considering getting it, but I'd like to be sure first that it would do well in the climate where I am.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 18 APR 07 by Lyn G
I believe that every rose that we plant is somewhat of an experiment. It depends on so many variables, it's hard to predict exactly how a rose should do in your climate. Generally, red roses are not considered "coastal" roses and do better inland where the temps can be a lot hotter. I have grown roses in zone 9 for most of my rose life and few have failed due to hot dry climates as long as they were properly watered and had proper drainage.

If you are planting your rose next to a structure, you should take into consideration "reflected heat". During the hottest periods in your climate, you might want to wash the rose regularly to avoid spider mites. Other than that, remember that it generally takes three years for a climbing rose to come into it's own. The patent information on the rose page for 'All Ablaze' tends to make me think it is not very disease resistant.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 18 APR 07 by CarolynB
Thanks for the information. I'm interested to know how the patent information tells you this rose might not be very disease resistant, in case it's something I can use to asses the potential disease resistance of other roses.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 18 APR 07 by Lyn G
Ooops ! That's what I get for working too late at night ! The patent information said it has "above average" resistance to mildew and rust. I missed the word "above". Tom usually does not make statements like this unless he is very comfortable about his findings about a rose. Thanks for being so polite in catching my error.

Smiles,
Lyn
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