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Discussion id : 115-691
most recent 1 AUG SHOW ALL
Initial post 11 MAR by Matt's Northwest Florida Garden
Anyone try Peace on Fortuniana ?
Reply #1 of 3 posted 11 MAR by Patricia Routley
Probably the entire city of Perth, Western Australia, grew ‘Peace’ on Fortuniana.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 MAR by billy teabag
Yes - What Patricia said - Fortuniana is the recommended rootstock here in Perth (sandy soils, hot & dry summers, nematodes). I have two plants of 'Peace' on fortuneana rootstock that are almost 30 years old. They are strong, healthy and floriferous.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 AUG by ksinGA
Yes. Peace is fantastic on fortuniana. K&M Roses has it.
Discussion id : 109-221
most recent 28 MAR 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 11 MAR 18 by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
I am wondering whether there is anyone around who knows where there is a very old specimen of Peace -- i.e., planted shortly after World War II. That is when it was imported to the U.S., and I suspect the newer specimens have slowly mutated away from the grandeur of the original. I would like to propagate new plants from a very old plant to test this hypothesis. So if anyone has, or knows where, such a first-generation-type plant exists -- in their grandma's old rose garden, or whatever - please tell me where it is so I can collect some budwood. Thank you.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 13 MAR 18 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Kathy, unfortunately, I don't know of a specimen as you describe. I can tell you a friend in Santa Barbara bought a standard commercial budded plant of Peace and planted it outside her kitchen in century old garden soil. The house was built in 1898 so it is not engineered nor compacted. There has been a century plus of organic material falling on her hill and she regularly uses her chicken manure to spread around the roses and fruit trees. The Peace receives gray water from her kitchen sink as well as irrigation with the rest of the roses. The bush is nearly six feet tall with healthy, gorgeous foliage. She never sprays nor uses pesticides nor fungicides as the hill is planted with many edibles which she eats and shares. The flowers are HUGE and look just like the old catalog photos from decades past. She doesn't prune the plant much but breaks off the spent blooms at the point of abscission. I have long sought the kind of Peace you are looking for and have never run across one anywhere. My youngest sister in Santa Clarita bought several Peace bushes at Green Arrow twenty-plus years ago when they bought their house and she followed my suggestion of never whacking them. Hers are about the same size as the Santa Barbara plant, or were when I saw them last over three years ago. I'm sure if you would like to try some cuttings or bud wood of the Santa Barbara plant, it should be able to be arranged.

From the success of these three plants, I would suggest the main issues are the commercial stock is likely usually held too dry in storage and once planted, they aren't given enough deep, friable soil in which to generate the root system they need to produce the size of plant they want to be. All three of these plants grow in soil which has not been engineered (mechanically compacted to provide seismic stability in earthquakes) so water drains deeply into it, allowing the roots to follow deeply into into it. For homes built after 1980, California homes generally have engineered soil which prevents air, water and roots from penetrating deeply.

I have Kimo (striped Peace) and a root sport from that plant which appears to have reverted to Flaming Peace, both own root, which are also available if you would like to play with material from them.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 28 MAR 18 by jmile
I am going to try to grow Peace from both Roses Unlimited and Heirloom (own root) and graft them onto Fortuniana root stock (giving me four test roses) and just let them grow unpruned except for cutting off dead wood and doing a little shape trimming. I will let you know how that goes. I know what Peace should look like because I grew up in a home with a huge Peace rose that my Grandmother planted right after it was shipped to this country after WWII. I do not use fungicides or pesticides and fertilize with chicken and horse manure and alfalfa.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 28 MAR 18 by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
That will be interesting! Please keep us posted.

And Kim, thank you for the offer of Kimo, and yes I will take you up on that, but it will have to wait some months now. I just got told I have to move AGAIN! My landlord wants this house back this summer, so I've got to move all these roses again!
Reply #4 of 5 posted 28 MAR 18 by Rupert, Kim L.
Oh, no! I'm sorry, Kathy! Sounds as if you need to move quite a bit north! (hint, hint!)
Reply #5 of 5 posted 28 MAR 18 by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Funny. But I'm still caring for 88 year old mom, who lives nearby, so I've got to stay here. But if you or any other HMF fans know of a rental place in/around San Diego, I would appreciate hearing about it. I'm a perfect renter, by the way -- no kids/pets/spouses/smoking or other trouble/issues for landlords and always pay the rent on time. And at the end of the lease, they will have roses -- because I inevitably plant some in the ground and ultimately leave them behind. Not to mention leaving whatever other garden they had in better shape than I found it.
Discussion id : 106-580
most recent 19 NOV 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 NOV 17 by Unregistered Guest
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Discussion id : 105-476
most recent 11 SEP 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 SEP 17 by Give me caffeine
'Peace' has reverted to growing neither forwards nor backwards. Or, to be specific, doing both alternately, with overall progress being conspicuous by its absence. Still a small bush, often quite manky, but throws out proper 'Peace' flowers when it's in the mood.

The current one was only a hardware store body bag, on dog knows what rootstock. Could be on lantana for all I know.

I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to source another one, on multiflora. Might do better.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 10 SEP 17 by Margaret Furness
The old grey mare, she ain't what she used to be... Peace is one of the roses which is said to have lost vigour, due to over-propagating. Your best bet is to grow it (or get someone to strike it for you) from a cutting from an old plant.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 10 SEP 17 by Patricia Routley
....from a vigorous old plant.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 SEP 17 by Give me caffeine
Yep. I was wondering if T4R had a good old plant as their scion stock.
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