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'Genéral Stefánik' rose Reviews & Comments
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There appears to be two different plants in the photos. One, with the very blue flowers, appears to be Reine des Violettes with particularly blue flowers in bloom. The other plant has pinker flowers and many prickles, clearly not Reine des Violettes. This just adds to the confusion over the General Stefanik/Reine des Violettes identity. At least I am confused!
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I think your comment is spot on .
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#2 of 2 posted
5 FEB 21 by
 jedmar
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Yes, 'Général Stefanik' is indeed confusing. Early references state that Böhm faked at least some of his cultivars, and that 'Général Stefanik' was nothing else than 'Reine des Violettes'. However, none of the two different varieties in commerce and gardens currently resemble 'Reine des Violettes'. Both have relatively small to medium, untidy blooms. I am adding several photos from our garden which shows the colour variation, vigorous growth, and prominent eye.
There is some similarity to the rose sold as 'Centifolia à fleurs doubles violettes' in Germany, but buds, glands etxc are distinct from that.
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Can anyone give me tips on how to prune this rose? In my garden, in Italy, it has become so huge,with long(3meters or more) canes flopping all over. It's also at least 3 meters wide, and,very, very dense. The main problem is that, when it was smaller,I remember it as being so spectacular when in flower-covered with medium-sized blooms. Now, the blooms are much smaller, and less abundant; I suspect that the plant has become "too big for it's britches", as it were. My idea for this year was to cut it way back after it blooms-but by how much? Thanks in advance!
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Jiří Sekera: Böhm růže Blatná, 2013, Vydalo město Blatná, page 140: sport from ´Brilliant´
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Thanks Vladimir for throwing another reference into the pot.
This 2013 ref says ‘General Stefanik’ was a sport from ‘Brilliant’.
That was probably not W. Paul’s 1886 scarlet crimson HP ‘Brilliant’.
Or Cook’s 1872 bright red HP ‘La Brillante’
But Verdier’s 1862 crimson HP ‘La Brillante’ was thought to be very similar to ‘General Jacqueminot’.
Roussel's 1853 'General Jacqueminot' is currently shown as the parent of 'General Stefanik'.
I note the comments that the 1931 'General Stefanik' in the Czech Republic is once blooming, with thin, light green leaves.
I note also that the 1860 'Reine des Violettes' is repeat flowering.
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Definitely NOT hybrid perpetual. NOT repeating.
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#2 of 5 posted
17 DEC 13 by
HonzaPM
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Generál Štefánik, sold and popular in Czech Republic is ONCE blooming only.
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Thank you, can you provide any other details ?
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#4 of 5 posted
17 DEC 13 by
HonzaPM
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You´re welcome, Admin. I think all the other information are correct - strong sweet old rose fragrance, spreading to its surrounding, very good health, great winter resistance, makes an extra large bush (depending on pruning) and can be easily trained on a wall, arch or obelisk etc. Leaves are thin and light green. Very small thorns, sometimes almost no on a new young stems. Maybe better in a partial shadow than by the southern wall - blooms survives for more days.
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#5 of 5 posted
17 DEC 13 by
HonzaPM
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There are some doubts about parentage and it may be, that two (or more) roses are available under this name all over the world. For example that picture from Cliff - that rose has absolutely different leaves (wide and round) than GŠ spread in Czech Republic etc.
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