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'Rembrandt' rose Reviews & Comments
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26 JAN 15 by
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Thomas for Roses don't have this rose listed on this site, but they do have it listed in their current PDF catalogue that is downloadable from the Hains site. It's the second last entry on page 35.
http://www.roses.hains.com.au/Thomas%20For%20Roses%20Catalog.pdf
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#1 of 10 posted
27 JAN 15 by
Patricia Routley
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I see that they list it as a HP, but I suspect that they do not carry this 1914 HT 'Rembrandt', but the 1883 Portland 'Rembrandt'. Can a South Australian person check this with Thomas please?
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#2 of 10 posted
27 JAN 15 by
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Well they do say "Rembrandt -(hp) -double salmon flowers tinted orange red", so unless they are colour blind I can't see how they could mix the two up.If nobody beats me to it, I can ask just to make sure when I ask about the other ones.
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#3 of 10 posted
27 JAN 15 by
Patricia Routley
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You might find it interesting to read the 'Rembrandt' portland comments.
Here is what came to me as 'Rembrandt'. The bottom bloom is 'Paul Ricault'.
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#4 of 10 posted
27 JAN 15 by
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Ok read them. But the rose in your photo is of totally different form to the van Rossem rose, and the colour is totally different, so I'd still be surprised if anyone could get them mixed up. However, if they can get 'Docteur Cazeneuve' mixed up with a white rose I suppose anything is possible.
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#5 of 10 posted
27 JAN 15 by
Margaret Furness
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Sounds like they have the HT, so I'd better get one for the Heritage Roses collection in Renmark. You might be interested to look at what we have there, on www.heritage.rose.org.au/hriai-tea-noisette-china-collection.html It will give you an idea of what I've gleaned from the Tealadies and others, of what's sold under wrong names in Aus, among the Teas, Noisettes and Chinas. Other classes are beyond me.
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#6 of 10 posted
27 JAN 15 by
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Thanks. I'll take a look through that later. And good luck with 'Rembrandt'. I don't know a lot about roses yet, but I've already developed an aversion to the word Pernetiana. TBH I get a bit wary even if I see Pernet in the general vicinity. He seems to have been a breeder who was more concerned with effect than with robust genes.
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#7 of 10 posted
28 JAN 15 by
Patricia Routley
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Perhaps I should have added that I believe my rose is what is sold in Australia as the 1883 'Rembrandt'. It is not the original 1883 rose as that was said to be vermilion'. Perhaps this is where the "salmon flowers tinted orange red" HT mixup evolved. My rose came from Mostly Roses Nursery in Western Australia, who used to get their budwood from David Ruston. It is possible that Thomas for Roses also got their budwood from David Ruston.
In this international site where members are coping with different languages, perhaps it is best if no abbreviations are used. e.g. I have no idea what TBH is.
I can only advise you to keep reading about Pernet. With time you will have an entirely different opinion of this breeder.
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#8 of 10 posted
28 JAN 15 by
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TBH is "to be honest". I've seen it, and plenty of other common web acronyms, used by heaps of people who don't have English as a first language. Often the common acronyms are arguably better understood than the different languages themselves, but admittedly this probably applies primarily to the sub-50 age group (which I am no longer a member of).
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#9 of 10 posted
28 JAN 15 by
Margaret Furness
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Pernet succeeded with a major breakthrough, one of the greatest in the development of the modern rose. My problem with the early Pernetianas is their blood(thirst)y prickles.
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#10 of 10 posted
28 JAN 15 by
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Yes I realise the colour was revolutionary at the time, and a welcome break from 5,000 variations on giant pink cabbages, but my perspective is skewed by the climate I live in. The first thing I want is resistance to black spot. So is the second, third and fourth. The fifth is heat tolerance. After that comes scent, which I am quite particular about. After that comes form. Colour is something I appreciate very much, but I don't require roses to provide it all. If I want something yellow, robust and cheerful I can grow a yellow allamanda, which is totally bulletproof up here and gives a great effect, or several other things.
Oh and personally thorns on roses don't concern me at all. I wasn't even aware thornless ones existed until quite recently, but was aware some very nice ones were exceptionally spikey. I just take it for granted. Bouganvilleas make roses look rather tame in the spikey department anyway.
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