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"Knopf's Mignonette" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 81-315
most recent 29 OCT 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 OCT 14 by scvirginia
I am wondering why the "Peppermint China" and the "Redoute's Red Noisette" have been treated as synonymous when they look so different. As far as I can tell from the photos, the "Redoute's Noisette" has a simple, 'species' look, while the "Peppermint China" has a feathery, striped look- not at all like a species rose.

I will also mention that there are some photos of 'Bougainville' on HMF that show flowers that look just like those shown here of "Peppermint China". The 'Bougainville' at the Noisette rose bed at Edisto Memorial Gardens in Orangeburg, SC looks very much like the photos here of the "Peppermint China". Perhaps they are synonymous?

Virginia
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 OCT 14 by Patricia Routley
The 2001 reference probably. But they certainly seem different and we will separate "Peppermint China" and the "Redoute's Red Noisette"
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 OCT 14 by scvirginia
I had looked at the comment, and noticed that the found rose "Redoute's Red Noisette" has a different entry at HMF from the rose Ruth Knopf thought was similar- Rosa noisettiana purpurea. Possibly that was the entry that were intended to be linked with "Peppermint China"?

Having looked at the Redoute illustration of R. noisettiana purpurea online, I definitely don't think it's the same as "Redoute's Red Noisette", but it's hard to say if it might be the original "Peppermint China"...

I do think there's a strong similarity between the photos of "Peppermint China" and the rose photographed at the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden under the 'Bougainville' entry at HMF, but there again, the photos of the SJHRG 'Bougainville' don't look quite like the other photos... which could just be a result of differing growing conditions? I looked at the photo of 'Bougainville' in the 'Noisette Roses' book published by the Charleston Historical Society, but it doesn't clarify much... it is the same bright pink, but the rose isn't fully open, so the shape isn't determinable.

I took a photograph of a similar-looking (small, deep-pink, feathery, stripey) rose at the Edisto Memorial Gardens Noisette bed in Orangeburg, SC, but on reflection, I'm not sure that it was labeled 'Bougainville' as I wrote in my earlier post. A good excuse for a return visit, but I should also check out the Noisettes at Hampton Park in Charleston, SC to see if the same rose is growing closer to home.

Thanks,
Virginia
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Discussion id : 10-880
most recent 15 JAN 06 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 JAN 06 by Fred Boutin
Knopf's Mignonette, Ruth Knopf's Mignonette, Peppermint China all appear to be the same unidentified small flowered "China/Noisette". Has been found in Virginia, South Carolina, Louisiana and Texas. Found in Charleston, SC and reintroduced by Ruth Knopf, before 1988. Spreading, rounded shrub 3-4' hight and as wide or wider. Green stems with few thin light brown prickles. New foliage tinted red, small. Buds rounded. Flowers double with rather stubby petals. Flowers appear striped bush and white, actualy bordered and dotted pink on white. Hep small and round. Flower pedicels persistent. Perhaps one of the 19th Century Fairy Roses or 'Kleiner Liebling' (J C Schmidt, 1895).
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