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'Étoile de Hollande' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 88-767
most recent 24 OCT 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 19 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
I've just added a 2015 reference which says "almost thornless". Is it? My climber certainly has thorns.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 20 OCT 15 by Jay-Jay
No it is not! I'll try to make some photo's.(it's very grey and humid over here)
PS: You can see prickles on my last photo of the young plant and on the photo of member Fraggle.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 20 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
I didn't think it was. However perhaps it is one of those roses that can grow thorns at will - if it feels like it! I've added all of that reference. John Nieuwesteeg is a well respected nurseryman of Dutch origin, emigrating to Australia in the 1950s. He says he has had the rose since the 1960s.

Perhaps Eric Timewell might see this comment and photograph for us a typical cane or two of 'Etoile de Hollande' at the Nieuwesteeg Heritage Rose Garden.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 21 OCT 15 by Jay-Jay
And "ALMOST thornless" is a stretchable concept. My experience is too, that on one plant a cane can be completely without prickles, whilst the other(s) is(are) brutally armed with them.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 24 OCT 15 by Eric Timewell
Madam, you rang?
Étoile de Hollande bush ex Nieuwesteeg at Maddingley Park this morning.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 24 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
Aha -the Curate's stem. Good in parts. Thanks Eric
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 24 OCT 15 by Jay-Jay
Holland calling too: I think this settles the matter definitely. (plant ex Weingart and it is the right-one)
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 24 OCT 15 by Patricia Routley
Oh - to go out into the dark on a cold autumn night carrying torch and camera to photograph a prickly rose! Only a rosarian does things like that! My regards.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 24 OCT 15 by Jay-Jay
It was more like in the twilight (zone): Still some light, but grey and damp!
No lantern light needed, but too dark to not use the flash-light.
And I promised to.... but was surprised myself, how prickly (not Thorn-less) it was, considering my previous photo.
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Discussion id : 86-089
most recent 21 JUN 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 JUN 15 by Jay-Jay
Today, member Marnix attended me to his observation, that the Lineage of this rose was altered on HMF.

Why chosen for this lineage and not the other-one mentioned in references and description?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 JUN 15 by Patricia Routley
Apart from the 1999 reference, I can find no good reason for the parentage to be shown as seedling of 'Château de Clos Vougeot'. Hopefully the Administrator who altered it will enlighten us further. Ideally things should be substantiated by a notation or reference. In the meantime, I have changed it back to 'General MacArthur' x 'Hadley'. Thanks Jay-Jar and Marnix.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 JUN 15 by Jay-Jay
We'll await the enlightenment... As for now: Thank You Patricia.
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Discussion id : 86-090
most recent 20 JUN 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 JUN 15 by Jay-Jay
In the references I found this about the health of this Rose:

"The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Roses
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Book (Feb 1993) Page(s) 184. Includes photo(s).

Etoile de Hollande Large-flowered hybrid tea. Parentage: 'General MacArthur' x 'Hadley'. The Netherlands 1919. Description and cultivation... flowers are a deep red with a strong fragrance... has a sickly constitution with a tendency to mildew... The climbing form is very vigorous and well worth growing..."

UNTIL NOW NO HEALTH ISSUES WHATSOEVER.... Despite the relatively bad spot it is located in our garden!
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