'Kooiana Daybreak' rose reviews and comments

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'Kooiana Daybreak' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 82-653 most recent 26 JAN 15 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 23 JAN 15 by Bruce Treloar

I like the soft yellow cream colour, nice change from all the pinks. Similar fragrance to Sylvia so will be a winner with all the rose sniffing oldies.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 10 posted 23 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Very pleased it is doing well for you Bruce. I really like it too.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 10 posted 23 JAN 15 by Bruce Treloar

Hello Patricia, pleased you replied, we lost touch due to computer problems this end. Margaret sent me a rose from your area called "Tarlee" , considered by some to be 'Sylvia'. It was reported to have been growing on a sheep station first noticed by a shearer in the very early 1900's. All the Sylvia's I have seen and the one I have here does not make many hips. From none to one or two in a season is common but must report "Tarlee" makes a great number in a season. Hope Margaret sees this for her records.

Reply #3 of 10 posted 24 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Tarlee is in South Australia and I am in Western Australia.
I haven’t got this rose but old correspondence suggest it grows to at least 6 feet and flowers constantly. Apparently a showbench rose with perfect buds. In 2006 it was said to be at least 80 years old, so that maybe puts it back to before 1926. People have variously thought ‘Catherine Mermet’ 1869 , ‘Lady Ursula’ 1909, ‘Mme. Butterfly 1918’, ‘Sylvia’ (sport of Ophelia) 1918, and ‘Lady Sylvia’ 1925.
If other Australians would like, I can open up a file for “Tasha’s Tarlee Pink” as it has been called, but I would need details of the rose for the main page. The fact that your rose sets a great number of hips says it is perhaps not the same as “Kew Cemetery Pink” (possibly ‘Lady Ursula’).

Reply #4 of 10 posted 24 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

The consensus from people who had grown Sylvia was that it was correct for "Tasha's Tarlee Pink", and that the shearer had been exaggerating its age. It happens. I have a distant neighbour who insists that his rose is the same age as the house (1870), and doesn't want to know that it's Lorraine Lee.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 10 posted 24 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Hmf is being slow for me, hence triplicate posting: I still can't get the Delete button to work.	REPLY

Reply #6 of 10 posted 24 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

G'day Bruce. I have a couple of photos of "Tasha's Tarlee Pink".	REPLY

Reply #7 of 10 posted 24 JAN 15 by Bruce Treloar

Hello Margaret, seems like old times when we tried to save every rose on the planet. I hope future generations are thankful for the work you have done.
The "Tasha's Tarlee" is the one you sent which has grown to about 5 feet each season. I probably misled Patricia because the hips number about a dozen in a season. I have 'Sylvia' growing about 30 feet away. Both roses are identical except for the hip count, would appear they are different.

While highlighting roses that are the same but different 'Mrs.B.R. Cant' comes to mind. I have grown the NSW version for a long time but have a supposed climbing version from Gary. This rose is not the typical climber like "Lorraine Lee" for comparison, it is a larger bush with blooms that are deeper pink. I know you have seen and discussed this rose so would appreciate any further information you may have.

Reply #8 of 10 posted 24 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Can't help with that - Gary's sent me cuttings several times and I've failed with them. I have one tiny plant which is dying back and I suspect it won't last much longer. Gary has several Teas which grow like rockets in his soil and climate (volcanic, subtropical); I don't know whether they'll be true climbers elsewhere. I'll keep trying! Will ask the Tealadies for comment.
Not sure about saving every rose on the planet; I think I'm reaching the conclusion that there are too many roses! Mediocre or unhealthy "me toos" that really weren't worth releasing.
But the Heritage Roses people are grateful for the help you gave us.

Reply #9 of 10 posted 25 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

billy teabag

Hi Bruce
I haven't seen Gary's rose in person so cannot say anything sensible about that particular specimen, but Teas can get awfully big in the right conditions, especially if left unpruned as they get older. Even relatively young plants will produce very long canes if they have another rose to compete with and encourage them to greater and greater excesses, or something to lean against, or competition for light.
These canes can be very long, but I couldn't say they are 'climbers' in the traditional sense, with distinct long climbing canes and shorter flowering laterals - just very enthusiastic shrubs.
As with their bloom form and colour, Teas are very variable roses, able to shift and change with changes in conditions.

We were invited to see an old rose in the SW of Western Australia - apparently planted in the 1920s. The photo that came with the invitation showed a large barn-like building completely smothered with a pink climbing rose. From the photo, It appeared to be a vigorous, climbing Tea rose. Not the right colour for the usual suspects - 'Clg Lorraine Lee' or 'Clg Comtesse de Labarthe' or 'Clg Maman Cochet' or 'Souv de Mme Leonie Viennot'.
The owner of the property had written that this photo had been taken AFTER they had hacked away about two thirds of it so they could gain entry to the building and you could see the huge piles of prunings in the background of the photo. She said that they wished they'd taken the 'before' picture.
When we visited in person, surprise, surprise, it wasn't a climbing rose, but 'Mrs B.R. Cant'! Left to its own devices for half a century or more it had quietly built on itself to become this enormous plant! Absolutely studded in bloom - it was magnificent! Gosh it's a wonderful privilege to see old roses like this!
I have no doubt it was 'Mrs B.R. Cant' - every feature matched perfectly and it had that wonderful fragrance. Like all Teas, the colour of 'Mrs BR Cant' can vary in hue and intensity and this old plant was showing lighter and darker shades on the day we saw it.
A local rose enthusiast has since budded this rose and the resulting plants are 'normal' 'Mrs B.R. Cant' in every way.

PS - I share your enthusiasm for 'Kooiana Daybreak' and so do all I know who grow it or use it in floral arrangements. It has an impressively long vase life!
Wish it was better known.

Reply #10 of 10 posted 26 JAN 15 by Bruce Treloar

Thank you all for your comments, very much appreciated. Margaret, I'll try to fix your Mrs.B.R. Cant (Ex Gary) problem.	REPLY