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Initial post 28 MAR 13 by CybeRose
The Magazine of Horticulture 26: 40 (Jan. 1860))

History and Cultivation of the Rose.—Mr. Shirley Hibbard recently delivered a most interesting lecture on the Rose. Mr. Hibbard briefly sketched the history of the rose from the earliest times to the peace of 1815, when, he said, the first of the great French rose gardens was laid out by M. Vibert, and the improvement of the rose as a florist's flower commenced in earnest . The great majority of these varieties had been raised in France during the past forty-five years by MM. Vibert, Laffay, Hardy, Desprez, Prevost, Lacharme, Margottin, Guillot, Granger, and a few other professional and amateur growers. The lecturer enumerated the best roses raised by each, and gave a few historical memoranda of such roses as ANNIE VIBERT, Jules Margottin, Geant des Betailles, Great Western, and others, tracing them to their parentage, and indicating, also, the varieties which had proceeded from them. The seedlings of Geant des Betailles, he said, were sufficiently numerous to constitute a rich collection of extraordinary roses, and they included Lord Raglan, General Jacqueminot, Duchess of Norfolk, Eveque de Nimes, Louis Chaix, and others of the crimson section of Hybrid perpetuals. Passing from the varieties, the lecturer proceeded to the subject of culture, giving an epitome of the treatment of the rose on loam, sand, clay, chalk and peat, with hints on the selection of varieties and the management of stock, as well as the improvement of unsuitable soils. He then treated of propagation, and by the aid of a black-board, explained the various modes of budding on the Briar, Manetti, Celine, and other stocks. His description of the method of striking roses from eyes in the fashion of a grape vine, was particularly interesting. The buds were to be taken at the same season and in the same manner as for budding on the Briar, that is from half ripe wood, the buds of which had not started. The leaf was not to be secured: nor was the wood to be taken out of the shield, but every bud with its attached bark and leaves was to be planted in pure sand with a little peat under it for the first roots to work into, and then covered with a bell glass. In this way scarce roses would be multiplied readily. The Rector of Horsney proposed a vote of thanks, which was carried by acclamation.— (Gard. Chron.)
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 MAR 13 by jedmar
CybeRose, your reference has resolved a mystery:
Isn't it strange that the only mention of 'Annie Vibert' is in a few American publications in 1860-1879, and then it is quiet until Trevor Griffiths brings it up again in 1983? No word in French, German, or English publications?
The article in the "Horticultural Magazine" of January 1860 refers to the original published in the "Gardener's Chronicle". Well, this original is the December 10, 1859 issue, which states that Shirley Hibberd (not Hibbard) spoke about Aimée Vibert (not Annie Vibert) and Géant des Batailles (not Geant des Betailles)!

So, 'Annie Vibert' is the reporter's Invention and synonymous with 'Aimée Vibert'. If he had only also written 'Géant des Bétails', we would have today a rose called "Giant of the Cattle" :)

The question is now, whether the rose commercialized in the late 20th century as 'Annie Vibert' is the same as 'Aimée Vibert', which is also still in commerce.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 29 MAR 13 by CybeRose
Jedmar,

I also noticed that Aimee (or Aime) and Annie are never mentioned in the same reports. I did find one that recommended Aimee Vibert and Caroline Kuster, as the Jour. of Hort. recommended Annie Vibert and Caroline Kuster.

Annie Vibert of the San Jose garden is clearly not the same as Aimee Vibert. It does look more "Noisette-ish", even though it doesn't climb.

The Journal of Horticulture was published in London. I've encountered D., of Deal on other occasions. Deal is a town in Kent. So, the name "Annie Vibert" was not exclusively American.

Karl
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 29 MAR 13 by jedmar
the original 'Aimée Vibert' is described as a "dwarf Noisette". The rose in commerce today seems to be actually the climbing Sport from 1841. Our 'Annie Vibert' is identical to 'Mlle Blanche Laffitte', but slightly more vigorous.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 MAR 13 by CybeRose
Jedmar,

I agree that "Annie Vibert" and 'Mlle Blanche Laffitte' are too similar to be different varieties. And the references to 'Aimée Vibert' mentioned with 'Caroline Kuster' no doubt refer to the climbing sport.

I suppose it would be a long and fruitless search to learn who first misnamed 'Mlle Blanche Laffitte' with a misspelling of 'Aimée Vibert'.

This reminded me of another oddity. Some years ago I found three independent mentions of "Cecil Brunner", all referring to the climbing sport of 'Mlle Cecile Brunner' -- and all in California.

Karl
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Discussion id : 70-678
most recent 28 MAR 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 MAR 13 by CybeRose
Fruit Recorder and Cottage Gardener 9(1): 147 (Oct. 1, 1877)
From J.R.G., Seymour, Ind.

Roses: We would prefer to plant the tender tea sorts in spring as they bloom better and are very fragrant—Isabella Sprunt, and Annie Vibert are good. Avoid crowding, as beyond a few trees and plants a well kept grass plat is the most beautiful feature.
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Discussion id : 70-677
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Initial post 28 MAR 13 by CybeRose
Jour. of Hort. 26: 435 (June 12, 1879)
A Century of Roses by D., Deal.

The following Noisettes are selected—Annie Vibert, Céline Forestier, Chromatella (Cloth of Gold), Lamarque, Madame Caroline Kuster, and Ophirie; and of Hybrid Noisettes, Baronne de Maynard, Madame Alfred de Rougemont, and Elise Boëlle.
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