'Odorata 22449' rose reviews and comments

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'Odorata 22449' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 149-742 most recent 18 AUG 23 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 18 AUG 23 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

For a once-flowerer, it has a long flowering season. In South Australia, Mediterranean climate, where it is a common surviving understock, it starts in early August (winter) and flowers through to November.	REPLY

Discussion id : 122-899 most recent 11 AUG 20 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 11 AUG 20 by Marlorena

Strange to me how this is described as a hybrid Noisette, since it was bred in China before 1811... the Noisette names are ''found'' names presumably..	REPLY

Discussion id : 122-081 most recent 9 JUN 20 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 9 JUN 20 by CybeRose

Paxton's Horticultural Register 4(47): 187 (May 1835)
Edited by James Main, A.L.S.
Mr. Loudon, in the last number of his Arboretum Britannicum, says, that this plant [Magnolia conspicua] was introduced by Sir Joseph Banks along with Hydrandea Hortensia, Paeonia Moutan, and Rosa Indica, about 1789.

[Given the date, this could be the Rosa indica major, but without a description I won't insist.]

However, at the time of his death [1780], Dr. Fothergill had Rosa indica L. in his garden at Upton.

My thought is that the name Rosa indica major came about because of a superficial resemblance to R. indica (R. banksiae or cymosa).

Discussion id : 113-829 most recent 14 NOV 18 SHOW ALL

Initial post 1 NOV 18 by HMF supporting member

thebig-bear

Reply #1 of 9 posted 1 NOV 18 by Marlorena

I did have something on this rose written by Martyn Rix but lost on my computer for now... unable to trace on google either... I think it was written for the Historic Roses Group publication, from way back.... so sorry Steve I can't help... maybe Andrew can?..	REPLY

Reply #2 of 9 posted 1 NOV 18 by Andrew from Dolton

Reply #3 of 9 posted 1 NOV 18 by Marlorena

Thanks for checking Andrew but no, not that one, I've got that in my documents.. the one I'm thinking of was from 1999 or thereabouts, and I recall he specifically mentions R. indica Major... I made a point of keeping it and now I can't find it...	REPLY

Reply #4 of 9 posted 2 NOV 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Martyn Rix wrote an article on China Roses in the R.N.R.S. Historic Roses Group Spring 1999 journal (No. 17), on page 8, but on a quick look through, I cannot see anything on R. indica major. There are a few early English references in the HelpMeFind file.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 9 posted 2 NOV 18 by Marlorena

Patricia, thanks for checking on this, and obviously I appear to have mixed something up.. I was 99 percent certain it was in that article which seems to be the one I was referring to... and it's also the one Andrew linked to above as well, - the 1999 article on China Roses written by Rix....I thought it was a different one but that can't be the case now... I feel sure it's a rose he would have talked about, and it's stuck in my memory somewhere...

thanks again...

I should add, it's a very beautiful rose looking at the photos... if that's rootstock I'd want it to sucker...

Reply #6 of 9 posted 2 NOV 18 by HMF supporting member

thebig-bear

Hi Marlorena, I hope you do find the reference, it will be very interesting to read. I really hope R. Indica Major is available somewhere in some form in this country, as it is such a beautiful looking rose - it reminds me so much of some of Redoute's best paintings. And I had never heard of it until a couple of days ago! Thanks everyone for their thoughts on this, please keep em coming.....	REPLY

Reply #7 of 9 posted 13 NOV 18 by Marlorena

I've found the links I was referring to above Steve, [if you're still checking in here], but I can't post links for some reason, it disappears off my screen when I try to post...

It wasn't by Rix after all... I found it rummaging around on my computer... it refers to a London publication from 1874 which in turn quotes a French journal detailing how the rose was used as understock, mainly in the south of France though... I'll try to post links another time... there are 3 altogether..

Reply #8 of 9 posted 13 NOV 18 by Marlorena

Well I've tried 4 times to post links but no good... sorry... let's see if this one works.. I've removed the https// bit.. babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044103104576;view=1up;seq=109 bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Picture_view/rosefram.htm bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Picture_view/rosefram.htm	REPLY

Reply #9 of 9 posted 14 NOV 18 by HMF supporting member

thebig-bear

Hi Marlorena, I am indeed still checking here! Great links! - thank you for sticking with it and finding them, they are very interesting.	REPLY