'Clarence House' rose reviews and comments

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'Clarence House' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 94-389 most recent 28 FEB 22 SHOW ALL

Initial post 13 AUG 16 by Marlorena

I think there must be some mistake regarding the breeding. Surely it must have been bred from the 1949 Aloha [Boerner], not the 1999 Kordes rose of the same name, as 'Clarence House' was only introduced in 2000.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 8 posted 13 AUG 16 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

I think it is feasible as the registration date sometimes occurs years after the bred date and breeders often had access to other's roses very early in the life of a rose. However, I think you are on the right track. My bet would be on the 'Aloha' bred by Sam McGredy in 1989. Perhaps we would be better guided by older Beales catalogues to see which 'Aloha' they carried. (I have a few Beales books, but none of their catalogues.)

Reply #2 of 8 posted 13 AUG 16 by Marlorena

Well I still think it's odd Patricia. I've been buying roses from Beales since mid 1980's and don't ever remember seeing anything other than the pink Boerner Aloha offered, in fact I bought it off them mid 1990's... I had not heard of the McGredy rose either. The Kordes rose is another new one to me and I've noticed it only recently being offered here and not from Beales...

I suppose I'll have to accept it as it is. I've got interested in this rose, hence my query... maybe I ought to email Beales and ask them to see if they can shed any more light on it but I don't always find them to be very forthcoming, shall I say...

Reply #3 of 8 posted 14 AUG 16 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Marlorena, Don't accept things if your gut feeling tells you otherwise. I have had a look at Peter Beales 2004 book A Passion For Roses and on p242 he lists both Boerner's 1949 'Aloha' and his 2000 'Clarence House'. He does not list any other 'Aloha'. In view of that - AND your note that you bought the 1949 'Aloha' from him, I think we can say fairly positively that he used the earlier 'Aloha' as the pollen parent for 'Clarence House'. Well done!

Reply #4 of 8 posted 14 AUG 16 by Marlorena

Reply #5 of 8 posted 27 FEB 22 by HMF supporting member

Philip_ATX

I am just curious as to where the original pedigree came from. I see the revised parentage appearing on other sites, but those are on sites that are likely re-reporting pedigrees based on this site.

There is a definite undertone of primrose yellow, which *could* suggest the existence of a parent with more yellow-orange tones, particularly when considering the other parent, IMHO.

I agree that Boerner's would seem the more probable to those of us accustomed to the English rose lineages, but the lack of a rose in a catalog hardly offers definitive proof, particularly with a modern proprietary cultivar which might come with restrictions for reselling.

Would somebody be able to shed light on the original source of the first parentage reported? Or even which Kordes rose was (mis?)credited with &quot;siring&quot; this one?

[edit: found a Russian site that claims: City of York × Aloha ® (hybrid tea, Kordes, 1999) ]

Reply #6 of 8 posted 28 FEB 22 by Marlorena

Philip ATX In reply to your recent query I decided to email Peter Beales roses who bred Clarence House, just to settle the matter, as I always had strong doubts that it would be any other 'Aloha'.. this is their reply received today, in quotes.. ''The Aloha used was the one introduced by Boerner in 1949, Kind Regards, Peter Beales Roses''	REPLY

Reply #7 of 8 posted 28 FEB 22 by HMF supporting member

Philip_ATX

Thank you, Marlorena! It certainly seemed logical, but I was concerned about a confirmation. (And I do see now that the yellow hues exist in the lineage! Duh.)

Honestly I wonder how that misinformation came to be. The other Aloha would be the less obvious candidate, and hence the less likely one might "presume," were on to make that error.

Apologies for revisiting this side-note, and thanks for the verification!

Reply #8 of 8 posted 28 FEB 22 by Marlorena

..no problem Philip... I've no idea how the mistake was made originally.. best wishes..	REPLY

Discussion id : 125-999 most recent 26 FEB 21 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 26 FEB 21 by Cambridgelad

According to an email I have on file from Tina Limmer, the wife of the Nursery Manager of Peter Beales, this rose was bred by her.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 26 FEB 21 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

As you know, HMF is based on public information. We will therefore have to leave this origination as a comment. Is there a chance that Classic Roses would disclose some of their originations of the past decades?	REPLY

Discussion id : 106-546 most recent 16 NOV 17 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 16 NOV 17 by bluebuster77

Palatine Roses have this variety. I'm buying it. Hope this well in California weather https://palatineroses.com/rose/clarence-house	REPLY

Discussion id : 30-656 most recent 1 OCT 08 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 1 OCT 08 by Unregistered Guest

Available from - ashdown roses www.ashdownroses.com	REPLY