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'Henry Fonda' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 109-554
most recent 23 MAR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 MAR by Diana B
The entry for 'Henry Fonda' says parents are 'Baron Girod de l'Ain' x 'Sunbright,' although there's then a note underneath that says "The seed parent of 'Baron Girod de l'Ain' is doubtful. Refer Patent and comments."

I'm a volunteer at the Huntington Library's Rose Garden, so I asked Tom Carruth about this (because he knows I love 'Baron Girod de l'Ain'). He says he was Jack Christensen's assistant at the time this rose was developed and that Jack never used 'Baron Girod de l'Ain' as a parent. As the patent says, the parentage is seedling x seedling. Feel free to verify this with Tom at tcarruth@huntington.org

Anyway, I thought you might like to know so that you can correct the entry for 'Henry Fonda'
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 MAR by Patricia Routley
Thank you for your trouble Diana. Parentage corrected.
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Discussion id : 90-297
most recent 14 JAN 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 JAN 16 by Benaminh
Parentage per Weeks Roses:
Christensen—1996
Parentage:
Baron G Del’ain x Sunbright
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 13 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Benaminh. Parentage added, although the seed parent of 'Baron Girod de l'Ain' is niggling at me. In the Patent for 'Henry Fonda' the seed patent was said to be a "seedling".
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 13 JAN 16 by Benaminh
Doesn't make sense does it? But it might explain the weak stems and blackspot issues passed on from the Hybrid Perpetual seed parent. Besides, whatever's listed on patents is never set in stone, plenty of examples when patents in different countries for the same rose list conflicting parentage.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 14 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
I believe the Sunbright part. It has the identical faults and architecture issues.

Sunbright is equally disease prone. Actually, it is a pretty horrible rose. Worse vigor, more prickles, and nasty black spot, compared to its parent, New Day. New Day has worse mildew and lighter color, however.

I do not believe Baron was a parent, however. It may have been a typo. I still see catalog typos to this day, and even incorrect pictures.

"The primary objective of this breeding was to produce a new rose variety having the excellent vigor and dark green foliage of the female seedling, combined with the bright yellow, broad petals and vigor of the male parent. "

This seems to partially contradict the catalog text. It implies that the seed parent does not have strong vigor, and that it may be a seedling and not a known variety. Or, the whole patent could just be really sloppy. Who knows!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 14 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
Thanks to both of you. I've made a notation on 'Henry Fonda's page.
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Discussion id : 9-546
most recent 16 SEP 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 JUL 05 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
This information on the parentage was taken from the Patent Application for filed Henry Fonda

"The primary objective of this breeding was to produce a new rose variety having the excellent vigor and dark green foliage of the female seedling, combined with the bright yellow, broad petals and vigor of the male parent. "
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 15 SEP 06 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
HI John, do you have parentage information for 'Henry Fonda'?  Thanks, Robert
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 16 SEP 06 by Sheldon, John & Robyn

 


Robert


Go to the US Patent Office website and look up Patent # PP9,390 That will give you as much information as is pubically available on Henry Fonda.

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Reply #3 of 4 posted 16 SEP 06 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Seedling x seedling doesn't tell us much, but thanks John.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 SEP 15 by Michael Garhart
If I had to guess, then Brandy is most likely the primary parent in its lineage. I do wonder if Sunsprite is also a part of it, but I am uncertain of my guess on that.

It is a really bad rose here. Horrible stem issues in the winter, and blackspot in the summer. Most people as well just go with Midas Touch, since MT is healthier in non-arid regions.
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Discussion id : 44-596
most recent 11 MAY 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 MAY 10 by Carlene
This is a pretty yellow rose, but I would not recommend it for a no-spray garden. It has more blackspot than any of the other roses in my garden (mostly antiques and teas).
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