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'Huntington Brocade' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 153-533
most recent 18 OCT HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 OCT by Orianne Courmes
Loubert only sell « variegata di bologna », not the red one
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Discussion id : 68-203
most recent 11 NOV 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 16 NOV 12 by Tammy-EastTN-6a
Is this the same rose as Victor Emmanuel? I'm guessing by the introduction date/name that it is a sport of Variegata de Bologna...but since VdB is a sport of Victor Emmanual, wouldn't this just be a reversion back to it's original sport parent? Just curious...

Tammy
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 16 NOV 12 by Cà Berta
To answer your question.
Also in the case that Variegata di Bologna was a mutation of Victor Emmanuel, a back mutation does not necessarily means that we get Victor Emmanuel. In fact to obtain again Victor Emmanuel (the same genotype-DNA) the back mutation should occur exactly in the same DNA position of the "forwards" mutation. This is statistically very rare. Most often the back mutations occur in a different position. Thus, although the phenotype of the reverted Variegata di Bologna would look like that of Victor Emmanuel, their genotypes would differ. They would not be the same rose!

As for Victor Emmanuel - Variegata di Bologna.
Five mutations of Variegata di Bologna are listed in HMF. They are the commercialized tip of the very large number of the existing mutations of this rose that is very prone to mutate to a red flower variety. I know three unrelated persons who got one in their garden! This clearly shows that Variegata di Bologna has a genetic instability.
Someone in the past, because of a supposed resemblance of mutated Variegata di Bologna with Victor Emmanuel, proposed that this mutation was a reversion (i.e. a back mutation to the original phenotype). The mutation itself was, thus, considered a proof that Variegata di Bologna is a mutation of Victor Emmanuel. As far as I know, this is the only “fact” supporting this idea as no old references referring the lineage of Variegata di Bologna are available, at the present.
While waiting for a DNA analysis, that would solve the mystery, a great contribution could come from a comparative study of side by side Victor Emmanuel and Variegata di Bologna. It would allow to define and “quantify” the similarities and the differences. In fact a mutation normally affects only one or few characteristics of a rose. As, unfortunately, not many Victor Emmanuel are around, a comparison of photos of the two roses could temporary supply for the side by side study. With this aim I posted many photos of the Victor Emmanuel of Roseto Botanico Carla Fineschi.
This is what we can do. Certainly does not help “mixing the hunter with the pray” i.e. loading photos of the mutated Variegata di Bologna in the HMF page of Victor Emmanuel!
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 16 NOV 12 by Tammy-EastTN-6a
Very interesting, thank you for your response. VdB seems to be a very interesting rose in terms of DNA, doesn't it! I grow VdB, but not Victor Emmanual, and I just purchased Huntington Brocade (VdB Rouge) during a rose society auction. Again, thank you for the information!

Tammy
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 NOV 15 by Cà Berta
I found the 1909 -1910 catalogue of Stabilimento Gaetano Bonfiglioli & Figlio where the rose was presented as “NOVITA DEL 1909” of the nursery. The lineage is reported (unknown varietà di moscata x Pride of Reigate) and so this rose is not a sport. Its tendency to reverte is certainly due to the fact that one of the parent (Pride of Reigate) is a sport of Comtesse d’Oxford. I thought you may be interested ...
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Discussion id : 37-151
most recent 13 JUN 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 JUN 09 by Sarah Owens
After becoming a premium member, photos are not visible when I do a general plant search. When clicking on 'photos', thumbnails do appear but when I click to enlarge, there is no photo present, large or small...

Any help appreciated!

Thanks,
Sarah
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 12 JUN 09 by HMF Admin
Sarah, what browser do you use ?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 12 JUN 09 by Sarah Owens
I almost always use Firefox although I can use Safari if needed.

Thank you,
Sarah
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 JUN 09 by HMF Admin
Can you tell us if you have the same problem using Safari ?
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 12 JUN 09 by HMF Admin
Any luck Sarah. We would like to get to the root of this problem as you're not the first to report it. It looks like it may have to do with a setting on Firefox on Apple computers.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 13 JUN 09 by Unregistered Guest
Hello,

I am indeed using a MacBook and Firefox combined.

However, when I use Safari, it first takes a while for the browser to do any 'search/lookup' requests but once it gets past the first rose, it seems to do just fine. With Safari, it seems I have access to photos both thumbnails and otherwise.

Thank you,
Sarah
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