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'President' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 117-452
most recent 8 JUL 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 JUL 19 by AquaEyes
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Discussion id : 80-764
most recent 10 JUL 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 SEP 14 by CybeRose
Gardening Illustrated 6: 330 (Sept 13, 1884)
Tea Rose Adam.—This is one of the most useful Roses in cultivation, and I venture to say that some of these days it will stand in the front rank of Roses grown more for the continuous supply of buds and flowers which they yield than for the decorative effect which they are capable of affording. My first acquaintance with this Rose was made on the Continent some years ago, where, in a large establishment, the back wall of a Camellia house was devoted to Tea Roses, amongst which were some plants of Adam. All the kinds planted there did well, and gave a large amount of bloom, but there were periods when they were out of bloom with the exception of Adam, which always furnished a bud or two in times of need, and often caused the remark to be made that it was worth all the other varieties put together. It is, however, only fair to say that that favourite of the market growers, Niphetos, did not have a place there; but although Adam scarcely ranks so high as that popular kind, it comes next to it, and the two should always be found in company, forming, as they do, a good contrast as regards colour. I cannot think of two better kinds for a small greenhouse than these two Teas, and I am sure amateurs would find them more satisfactory than Maréchal Niel, which, glorious Rose though it is, is not so well fitted for small houses, and its flowering season is far too short for those who like to cut a Rose every few days through the spring, summer, and autumn months. Speaking of Tea Roses the other day to a friend, a large rower of them, he confirmed my good opinion of Adam, but considers it to be quite distinct from President. This is a matter of some importance, and a point which should be cleared up, as if there are two distinct Roses under the same name, it may be that the true Adam is often not obtainable, and that some disappointment may be the result, that is supposing the two kinds not to be equal in general good properties. What is the opinion of Rose growers in reference to this matter?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 9 JUL 18 by billy teabag
Did you ever find any answers to this query in later editions?
Reply #2 of 4 posted 9 JUL 18 by CybeRose
No. And apparently the author (J Cornhill) did not, either. I find that the same letter was previously published in The Garden 24: 259 (Sept 20, 1883).
Reply #3 of 4 posted 9 JUL 18 by Patricia Routley
I wonder if either of you would like to add this reference.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 10 JUL 18 by billy teabag
Yes - done.
Also added this 1861 'President' ref from Thomas Moore's The Floral Magazine Vol 1, which accompanies a portrait of 'President'.
"This beautiful Rose is of American origin, and was introduced to the public last year through Mr. William Paul, of the Cheshunt Nurseries, Waltham Cross, by whom some magnificent specimens were furnished for our drawing in the course of the past summer. We can only regret that our limited page by no means does justice to the admirably cultivated examples furnished by our friend.
The 'President' rose has been exhibited before the chief metropolitan authorities, and has borne away the honours of a first-class certificate from the Royal Botanic Society, and from the Floral Committee of the Horticultural Society. The beautiful blossoms produced by the plants exhibited on the occasions referred to, well entitled it to such distinction.
We learn from Mr. Paul that the plant is of free growth and of a hardy character, being, in regard to habit and constitution, very similar to the variety called 'Caroline' which was one of its parents. Its wood is of a firm and rather wiry character, and its foliage bold and healthy-looking, while the flowers, which are globular in form, are large, full of firm smooth petals, and very sweet. The color is blush, tinged in the younger stages with salmony-buff, as shown in our figure, but in the older stages the latter tint more or less passes away. Mr. Paul describes the colours as fawn and salmon, varying somewhat according to the season at which it blooms. The plants bloom freely and force well. The variety is no doubt a decided acquisition to the group to which it belongs, and will take rank among the very best sorts. It resembles the Tea-scented kind called 'Adam', more nearly than any other rose, but is hardier in constitution, and sufficiently distinct to entitle it to general cultivation. If cultivated out of doors the flowers are given forth at short intervals from July to November."
Would you like me to upload the old portraits of 'President' here in the 'Adam' entry, or would you prefer to have a separate entry for 'President'?
Discussion id : 111-256
most recent 6 JUN 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 JUN 18 by HubertG
Does anyone know if the original 'Adam' is available in Australia?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 5 JUN 18 by Margaret Furness
The roses for sale in Aus as Adam are the rose considered to be the true Mme Berard. Of course it could still be around in an old garden or as a name-lost rose.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 JUN 18 by HubertG
Thanks Margaret. I'll scratch that one off the list for this winter ordering. :-(
Discussion id : 98-308
most recent 1 APR 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 1 APR 17 by NikosR
My european sourced ex-Beales "Adam" which I have reason to speculate is the same with what Beales are selling as "Mme Berard" suffers from horrible powdery mildew affliction during spring and fall, which coincides with its main flowering periods. I have relegated it to a remote edgeof my property where I don't have to look at the sorry state of its leaves every day.. I would be interested to know if others have the same experience.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 1 APR 17 by billy teabag
When our plant was younger, it was susceptible to mildew but it has become more disease resistant with age.
One of the things I've noticed about this rose is that it tends to set hips very readily and towards the end of of a profuse flowering flush, as it starts to make hips, its disease resistance is at its lowest. If I remove the spent blooms conscientiously, it makes strong new growth and remains in good health. If I don't deadhead, it makes beautiful big hips - lots of them - begins to look a bit poorly and starts dropping leaves.
In our climate, if it defoliates in summer, it is then vulnerable to sun scorch on the stems and needs to be nursed back to health.
Despite this, I'd hate to be without "Not Adam probably Mme Berard". Its blooms are so very beautiful. Exquisitely so. It can take some shade and one of the best plants I've seen is at Ruston's Roses in Renmark, South Australia, where it grows very happily in a dense shrubbery with a cool root run and partial shade that gives some relief from the blazing summer sun.
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