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'South Africa' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 80-417
most recent 10 SEP 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 8 SEP 14 by mtspace
When it gets adequate moisture, this is among my favorite roses because of the color of its rather informal blooms. The foliage sets them off perfectly. The growth habit, being rangy and awkward, requires more management than I'd like. Its worst problem is that it seems to be more adversely affected by drought than just about any other rose in my collection of over 200 cultivars. I've lost two, almost three, to dry conditions. Lesser roses I would have given up on long ago. It seems happier in clay than in very light soils if it is to endure long dry periods.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 9 NOV 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for that fantastic info. In my experience, yellow and orange rose need lots of moisture, and clay holds moisture better than sand. How's the scent on South Africa? Is it very light, or is it noticeable? Thank you.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 9 NOV 16 by mtspace
I cannot say the scent is notable. Certainly Graham Thomas and Golden Celebration do better in this area. Also, the flowers are not very durable; it's certainly not a cutting rose. Still, it's a wonderful thing to behold when it is at the peak of bloom and enjoying ideal conditions.

Two surprises: 1) planted near Day Breaker, Lady Pamela Carol, and Graham Thomas it sets hips that turn a wonderful pumpkin orange. 2) given adequate moisture and light, it sports an occasional bloom right up until frost.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 9 NOV 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for your thorough answers. I appreciate that !!
Reply #4 of 5 posted 28 APR 20 by happymaryellen
My first one is blooming right now, I just planted this as a standard in February. The fragrance is the part that I’m most interested about because it does have fragrance and it’s unusual. I am so surprised that nobody else said anything about the fragrance. I wouldn’t say it’s strong but it is notably unique
Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 SEP 20 by Plazbo
First flower for me here in Australia.

Kind of a medium strength for me in the middle of the day and direct sun, not a wafter but obvious if you go and sniff the flower. I can detect sweet lemon/citrus but that's the most common smell I detect in most moderns so I'm possibly not the best sniffer.
Discussion id : 121-045
most recent 19 APR 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 APR 20 by Linda's Long Ago Roses
I just planted my own-root plant from Roses Unlimited in the ground last fall and it is spring now. It seems to have good vigor and for a young plant has grown nicely. Right now it has a lot of buds on it and a couple of stunningly beautiful blooms. They are very large for the size of the plant. They look a lot like Austins in form. The color is similar to Golden Celebration but deeper, a little more amber. I notice a light scent. It's a nice scent...not licorice. I don't see a speck of blackspot on the plant. I do spray . I have it in a fairly dry location so I hope I won't run into trouble with that. We had an incredibly rainy winter. Perhaps once established it can take some drought.
Discussion id : 34-519
most recent 1 JUN 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 MAR 09 by John Moody
I am getting conflicting reports on this rose. Is it a floribunda, grandiflora, or hybrid tea rose???
I love the color of the photos, and most of the pictures look to have more the form of a floribunda rather than a hybrid tea or grandiflora.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 7 MAR 09 by Cass
If Kordes would register it, you would have the straight info. Unfortunately, it's sold within different classes in different parts of the world.
Floribunda in UK
Floribunda at Palantine Roses in Canada
Hybrid Tea in South Africa
Grandiflora at the ARS
Reply #2 of 5 posted 24 OCT 12 by mtspace
It really doesn't fit very well with our typical idea of the high-centered hybrid tea rose. Nor does it send up long, tall cutting canes typical of many hybrid tea roses. Its flowers occur in small clusters of three to seven or so. It tends to repeat-flower more often than most hybrid teas, in my experience. It seems more vigorous than most hybrid tea roses I have grown, too. I think of it as a floribunda with large flowers; and it really fits into the garden best on those terms. Its flowers are quite bright and it needs to be sited accordingly. One of my favorites.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 27 JUN 17 by Philip_ATX
I don't believe the category of "Grandiflora" exists outside the U.S., so it makes sense that it falls on one side or the other of that category (HT or Flor.) in other countries. I don't grow it, however, so I cannot speak from experience to its form.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 27 JUN 17 by mtspace
The "Grandiflora" class has always seemed ridiculous to me. The whole idea of floribundas, IMO, is to combine the large flowers of hybrid tea roses with the floral generosity, cold hardiness, and shrubby habits of polyanthas. Every plant in the class necessarily posesses a combination of traits that lies somewhere in between. I will confess that I have viewed the grandiflora class as a kind of catch-all for roses that fail to have the shrubby and hardiness qualities of floribundas while also failing to make flowers the size of hybrid tea roses.

To the extent my prejudice is justified, lumping South Africa with such roses understates its qualities materially. It is as generous in flower as a good floribunda, Cherry Parfait. And as well branched. It tolerates late spring freezes better than any HT bred outside Germany, IME. Its flowers are as big as those of many hybrid tea roses. I even love the foliage. Its frame and its flowers are largish for a floribunda. Coming in at five or six feet in each direction it might better be described as a shrub. Its biggest drawbacks: The flowers are not notably fragrant, and they don't last longer than about two or three days on the plant. Of the 200 + roses in my garden I cannot think of a rose I've been less tempted to replace with something else, except, perhaps, Malvern Hills.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 1 JUN 19 by 1
There isn't a massive difference between Tournament of Roses and Savoy Hotel. Both roughly the same size, color, and bloom size. Yet, two classes. Technically, they are both semi-dwarf large-flowered rose bushes. The only arguable difference is ToR has sprays, but they typically have the same square area of color in any given year. In my opinion, it confuses consumers. The average buyer doesn't care about these nuances. The number one goal of rose culture should be to make roses more accessible to consumers. Not vice versa.
Discussion id : 98-448
most recent 8 APR 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 APR 17 by BarbaraG SE Virginia
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