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'J. Otto Thilow' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 167-032
most recent 29 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 APR by Patricia Routley
I have had a private query on the parentage of ‘J. Otto Thilow’. In the hope that more information may come to light, I am replying publicly:

The rule is the seed parent always comes first.
From 1930 Modern Roses 1, page 1:
"Where two parents are shown, the first is usually the seed-bearer".

I have a funny feeling that there was one small country who earlier listed the pollen parent first, but without spending time researching this, I cannot remember which country. Could it have been Holland in the early days? If so, it could explain why Hazlewood in 1928 listed (Souvenir de H. A. Verschuren x Hadley). He explains in his 1928 reference that the main description came from the breeder, and until he knew the rose better, he was adding his own brief comments in italics. I have added a Note to this reference.

A question remains for me - did he get his budwood from each breeder? (There were so many); or did he get his budwood from an agent, or big nursery? Someone told him the parentage he listed.

Most later references show J. Otto Thilow's parentage as (Hadley x Souvenir de H. A. Verschuren) and HMF initially showed this parentage as listed in Modern Roses 1. When I later started adding references the reversed parentage in Hazlewood's catalogues came to light. We have added a Note that there is a discrepancy.

Frank Reader’s parentage suggests that the breeder was popping the pollen of Souvenir de H. A. Verschuren on to more than just J. Otto Thilow.
1927. J. Otto Thilow (Hadley x Souvenir de H. A. Verschuren)
1927 Frank Reader (Golden Ophelia x Souvenir de H. A. Verschuren)
Discussion id : 35-141
most recent 29 MAR 09 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 MAR 09 by TCD
Thios is a useless description. Height? fragrance? ARS rating? etc.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 29 MAR 09 by jedmar
Descriptions always depend on the available information at the time the rose was listed. Mostly these are very cursory. That is one reason why the practical experience of our members is so valuable. In any case, there is some more info now.
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