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'Janice Kellogg ®' rose Reviews & Comments
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no fragrance
good as cut rose, stays for more than a week in good shape.
the flower buds are ugly, not round nor fat, but would ultimately open up to big beautiful blooms
deep red color with a little bit of purple tone. seemingly velvety petals.
vigor is average level.
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28 MAR 17 by
Unregistered Guest
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Available from - Heirloom Roses
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8 NOV 14 by
Dara
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'Janice Kellogg' has a barely discernable scent most of the time. However, there are times when I notice there is a mild fruity scent. It makes a great cut flower and lasts for a long time. Up to seven days in my experience. Cut it in bud form just as the guard leaves are unfurling and watch it slowly open up. The stage at which the petals are imbricated is quite a site of beauty. This seems like a very good rose for the inland valleys of Southern California. Except the flowers are prone to crisping in hot weather. In cool periods of weather, the flowers are perfect!
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Regan Nursery has Janice Kellog listed as a Hybrid Tea.
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It used to be officially classed as a hybrid tea in ARS publications, too. However, the breeder has since changed it to a floribunda, which is what the ARS publications now use. For a floribunda, it's huge. The growth habit and size of blooms is more like a hybrid tea. The flower form is old-fashioned, however, which is I think why they changed it.
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Thanks--that's interesting. There are other hybrid teas with old-fashioned flowers forms though, don't you think? This still puzzles me. Anyway, I lost my plant over the winter due to an unexpected cold, windy spell and failure to protect, but was quite fond of it and will absolutely replace it. I don't grow floribundas as a rule, and still have a difficult time thinking of this plant as one.
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Yeah -- it's also making a total sham of the "one bloom" floribunda class at ARS rose shows. This bloom can easily win that class (which does not require exhibition form), whereas it never could have won the hybrid tea class, which requires a rose with spiral form and a high-pointed exhibition center. I agree with you that this rose should be classed a hybrid tea. The other problem is that most ARS shows do not have a "decorative" form hybrid tea class, which encourages this sort of misclassification by the breeders. All of the Romantica hybrid teas (think Yves Piaget) could do the same thing. By the way, this is the same rose that was originally sold as "Mary Lou Heard."
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Now I think you've hit upon the real reason for this (mis) classification and a possible solution, if the ARS would add the decorative class. Perhaps breeders should not classify their own plants, since there can be an obvious conflict of interest?
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Would there really be a conflict of interest? A responsible person is going to classify his/her product as what fits it best. If I generated a smaller flowered, cluster flowered plant and called it a Hybrid Tea, it wouldn't be accepted by most growers. Calling the mini floras currently on the market, Hybrid Teas is going to confuse many who buy them expecting larger, single flower to the stem, blooms on taller plants. Besides, as someone who does raise new seedlings, I strongly feel it is not the business of the ARS or any other organization to tell me what to class my creations as. Nor is it their right nor responsibility to change the classification I provide for them. If there are disagreements, and if I chose to register my creation with them, they are certainly free to include a dissenting opinion in the registration. But it is up to me to determine the best classification for what I raise and release.
A perfect example is Ralph Moore's "Mister Bluebird". It was introduced as a miniature, which it easily fits the type for the year it was introduced. Its breeding is China X China, so COULD have been classified as a China. When I asked him, many years ago, why he had chosen not to introduce it as a China, his response was, "Kim, WHO bought China roses in 1960?" Had any organization required him to register and sell Mister Bluebird as a China, it would very likely have disappeared many years ago, before the renewed interest in Chinas began.
Mis classifying a rose will definitely,eventually harm it in the market. Yes, those wishing to grow it need to have a decent idea what to expect from its performance, but ultimately, it is the breeder and introducer/seller of the rose who have the most vested in its success. Accurate classification is the shared benefit of all three.
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I don't think this is the breeder's fault, however, as their only job is to hybridize and sell roses. The ARS has a lot of conceptualized perimeters that do not often match the real world, which is why I no longer belong to it. The UK has a more realistic view (clustered-flowered shrub vs cluster-flowered bush, vs large-flowered-bush vs large-flowered shrub, and so on), but it is still artificial. Rose shows are by and large artificial, and they often do not reflect the public at large. There is a real disconnect, and I use to see it a lot when I use to show, where people would look down on a public member trying to show. I also had to step in to try to make them feel included, and I was only a teenager when I began! This is how much of a disconnect there is between various country's rose classification systems and "us" as people, gardeners, and our roses. I am not even going to go into why Queen of Show almost always has to be a 6" colored-ball on a 3' stick, when our own yards are ever-shrinking world-wide. The merits are skewed towards a specific angle. In this case, the merits are specifically skewed for roses that are essentially the 1000th, "improved" reincarnation of Peace or Charlotte Armstrong. Again, there is a huge disconnect between what was a century ago and what is now, and I also blame that type of disconnect for why my generation is rarely interested in roses. Why should they be? And why should a breeder care about rose shows? I surely would not.
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