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"Moser House Shed Rose" Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 114-768
most recent 5 JAN 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 JAN 19 by AquaEyes
I wonder if perhaps this rose is 'Superba' -- see below. And shouldn't this (by now) be merged with "Arcata Pink Globe"?

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.28626.0&tab=1

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by Patricia Routley
It probably should be merged Christopher. But then everybody seems to be saying "probably" in connection with this rose. Has anybody grown these two roses near to each other?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
See, 'Baltimore Belle'.

I believe they are synonymous.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by AquaEyes
They're not. What's happened is that some people have been growing "Arcata Pink Globe" aka "Moser House Shed Rose" and calling it 'Baltimore Belle'. The two are similar, except that 'Baltimore Belle' is never that pink. My 'Baltimore Belle' came from Vintage Gardens, and they also grew the pink "Arcata Pink Globe" aka "Moser Shed House Rose", so they saw them side by side.


My 'Baltimore Belle' in 2018
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.318814

And see attached close-up of a cluster from 2017 -- this is the pinkest 'Baltimore Belle' ever is, and it's fleeting.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It could just be a vague color sport variation. It happens.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by AquaEyes
It could.....or it could be another seedling by the same breeder which was said to differ from 'Baltimore Belle' only in being pinker and with blooms slightly smaller....such as in the pic below.


"Arcata Pink Globe" and 'Baltimore Belle' side by side.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.257266

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Clonal variations occur frequently. They're close enough that it's a possibility.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 5 JAN 19 by AquaEyes
I think it's more likely that Feast raised Setigera X Noisette seedlings beyond just 'Baltimore Belle', but that's the only one which survived with its name intact. Looking at the other Setigera Ramblers attributed to Feast, one can see others released which were also described as being "incarnate" -- to me that reads as "shades like those of old non-Tea Noisettes".

The other thing is that while the blooms look very similar, 'Baltimore Belle' isn't quite as "viciously vigorous" as "Arcata Pink Globe" / "Moser House Shed Rose" -- at least from what I've read. I don't grow both, just BB. From what I've read, "the pink one" couldn't be trained into the tree like I've done with BB because "the pink one" is too shrubby and dense at the base. But I'll have both at the cemetery eventually, so I'll be able to compare that myself.

I still think they're two different roses, but most likely full-siblings. Maybe even from the same hip.

:-)

~Christopher
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Discussion id : 63-744
most recent 22 APR 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 APR 12 by buffbeauty
I have moved very large specimens of MHSR with very little ceremony. In both cases, the plants never even wilted. Even after drastic loss of top growth and roots, this rose covers itself with buds as if nothing happened.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 APR 12 by Nastarana
My plant survived the winter last year with no visible damage of any kind and no winter portection at all. I would say it is cane hardy down to at least -5
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Discussion id : 55-384
most recent 22 JUN 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 JUN 11 by Cass
I have received a report from a gardener in Reno that "Moser House Shed Rose" is hardy and vigorous there. That is a challenging dry, mid-altitude, high desert climate known for late season freezes. This rose suffers no cold damage there and tips roots as it does in my garden. I'd like to hear how this rose handles Zone 5.
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Discussion id : 53-726
most recent 25 APR 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 APR 11 by buffbeauty
I moved an enormous specimen MHSR early this spring. It is covered in buds and is acting like nothing ever happened. This rose is incredibly thrifty and tough!
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