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'TAN97150' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 149-750
most recent 19 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 AUG by Singularly Beautiful Roses
This appears to be holding up well in our heat here in GA.
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Discussion id : 115-697
most recent 26 AUG 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 12 MAR 19 by Margaret Furness
I wonder if the Grafin or her family gave permission for "her" rose to be re-named for a horse. Or if they were asked.
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 12 MAR 19 by HubertG
Lol, I don't how rights for renaming roses for other countries work, but I do prefer the name 'Black Caviar' to the original German one.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 12 MAR 19 by Margaret Furness
I looked up the Grafin on g**gle - think she deserved a rose more than the horse did. Unless you won lots of money on it!
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 12 MAR 19 by HubertG
True, she did. However, Black Caviar is still easier to say.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 26 AUG 22 by Give me caffeine
I'm sure the original German name flows quite nicely if you are German, but I'm equally sure her family didn't use her full title every time they referred to her. Just call it "Astrid" for short. ;)
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 6 JUN 21 by joekoel
what is the actual variety name ie the German one
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 6 JUN 21 by Margaret Furness
Astrid Gräfin von Hardenberg.
Or, Nuit de Chine.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 6 JUN 21 by joekoel
Thanks Margaret but I think the 2 names you gave are only trademarks. I did find the actual name which is TAN97150. The actual variety names are now called ''codes'' .Variety names are now a joke . Roses become known by their trademarks which in reality makes them invalid Eg Iceberg started as a trademark but became so generically used (ie became the identity) that it is now an alternative variety name
The actual variety name is 'Korbin' but yes who would know it by this name !
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 24 SEP 21 by MiGreenThumb
Different "trade" names are for individual markets and whatever additional royalties associated with them and rights to use said name. That's why some have multiple (and therefore confusing names). Especially if names are translated for local languages or changed for market suitability. The code registration name is for verification of identity to ensure the proper one is sold. There's nothing actually "illegitimate" about any of the names used for sale.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 6 JUN 21 by joekoel
Hi Hubert They simply use a trademark to identify the rose ( this is invalid use ie generic use of a trademark) which is wrong but they get away with it
There are cases though where the trademark through natural attrition rightfully becomes an alternative variety name ( ie synonym)
How many of you out there realise that Iceberg began as a trademark but is now far better known as the variety name than 'Korbin' ie it was so heavily misused it became an invalid trademark
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Discussion id : 133-997
most recent 4 AUG 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 AUG 22 by Bug_girl
Available from - Palatine Roses
https://palatineroses.com/product/black-caviar/
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Discussion id : 125-297
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