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'Marie Pavié' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 92-838
most recent 29 JUN 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 18 MAY 16 by frenchrose
I wonder is perhaps this rose is inclined to sport. I once read an article by Douglas Seidel in which he stated that there are five forms of 'Marie Pavie', and in size they range from two to five feet. I have found this rose twice in piedmont North Carolina, and the first find is inclined to stay at about three feet or so, while the second one grows to over four feet. Has anyone else had experience with this?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 29 JUN 20 by yarnover
My Marie Pavic/Pavie grows huge compared to any others I've heard about, literally seven feet tall and at least as much across. It must love the climate in Portland, Oregon. It's growing in full sun, and the initial spring bloom is in the thousands of blossoms. Sadly, the best bloom comes during spring rains, and the plant bows down under the weight of the soaked flowers.
Discussion id : 122-352
most recent 28 JUN 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 JUN 20 by Xn
There might not be as many “versions” of this plant as some might think. There are large variations in flower characteristics you can observe on just one plant across seasons, so when people see these differences that are merely due to the environment or the time they might mistakenly attribute the differences to genetics. For me, MP blooms in clusters with doubled flowers in spring but has a full, Clothilde-Soupert style of flowers in summer.
Discussion id : 122-330
most recent 27 JUN 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 JUN 20 by Importedbeer
If there is a more eager to please white rose that is hardy in zone 5, I have not met it and I would love to hear about it. Because there is no rose that out performs MP in enthusiasm- be it the vivacity of her fragrance or the ebullience of her blooms. Not in my garden.

After a spring show that is almost blizzard like, she is never, not once, without flower or bud, and I am not talking a flower or two. But generous productions.

She is not fragrant up close, but she perfumes the entire garden because she wafts gloriously.

She gets a bit of chlorosis (yellowing of leaves) in spring in early spring so that is the only care I provide for her. One spring feeding of acidic fertilizer.

I deadhead her lazily. Dead flowers dont bother me as it is part of the plant. I don't fuss over her like I do lver my Austins. A lot of my ogrs and earthkinds are to allow me to grow some more water intensive roses without guilt, so I expect them to be less remotant. But she outperforms all my roses, including the inherited knockouts despite being out of the drip irrigation line.

Blackspot in my climate is an inevitability and no rose is completely immune unless one sprays. I spray minimally, 6 times all growing season(4× organic, 2x mancozeb) and only at night. This is barely enough for many. I do not need them for MP.

She has been a delight and I try not to take her for granted.
Discussion id : 93-833
most recent 2 JUL 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 1 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
Someone has asked me about the relative merits of 'White Cecile Brunner' and 'Marie Pavie'.
Answering here.

Depends what you want. Pink or white. In my garden, all on their own roots,
'White Cecile Brunner' is (approx 1.5m) taller than 'Marie Pavie' (?80cm).
WCB is suited as a shrub. MP would be ideal as a small hedge.
I think both repeat, but I am not the world's best dead-header.
Both make bushy shrubs and are difficult to get in there and prune out old canes.

I also have a taller foundling ?'Marie Pavie' which, even for me is about 1.5m
'Marie Pavie' blooms are slightly similar to, say 'Blush Noisette' than they are to 'Cecile Brunner'.

Just copying-and-pasteing from my records, I have:
White Cecile Brunner Poly Sport ‘Mlle Cecile Brunner’ (Pol).1880 Fauque, France 1909 (Eildon, Kendenup) 03 Wee-I-NE-e

132 ?Marie Pavie Poly TALLER Alegatiere, France 1888. (D. Fowler, Yornup-1; Gift N. Kuser own roots-2; ) 00 Bun-NW

Marie Pavie Poly SMALLER Aligatiere, France 1888 (Donna Broun) 01 Bun-SW
Note – both have hairs and no glands on pedicel
Reply #1 of 3 posted 1 JUL 16 by Give me caffeine
Ok. Most of the photos on HMF give an overall impression of white for the bush as a whole, with the pink only really coming out on the buds and the just-opened flowers. Then there's a photo in Botanica which frankly doesn't look like the same flower at all, so different is its colour* to the photos on HMF. Are you finding that yours are more strongly pink than the HMF photos indicate?

*It appears to be a pale apricot-pink in Botanica.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 2 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
'Marie Pavie' has pink buds, blooms fading to whitish. I've uploaded a photo.
'White Cecile Brunner' is almost lemon white, with no pink.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 JUL 16 by Give me caffeine
I can see what you mean about the sort of Blush Noisette look in that photo. So basically, how white the bush looks overall will depend on how many older flowers are on it.
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