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'Rosa pimpinellifolia Andrewsii' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 89-829
most recent 18 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 DEC 15 by CybeRose
This looks like a match:

Roses; Or, A Monograph of the Genus Rosa, Volume 2 (1828)
Henry Charles Andrews

Rosa spinosissima, rubra; Var. flore pleno. 125
Red Thorny Rose; Double-flowered Variety

Rose with nearly round seed-buds, smooth. Peduncles hispid. Flowers semi-double, and flesh-coloured. Leaves spreading. Leaflets ovate, ribbed, and notched at the edges. Stem and petioles very prickly.

This fine semi-double Rose is generally known by the appellation of the Double Red Scotch. It is evidently a thorny Rose, and powerfully resembles the spinosissima in most particulars except the flowers, whose pale delicate character reminds us so much of the Indica, that, were a flower detached from the plant, and compared with that ever-blooming species in a confined mode of culture, the resemblance would be found considerable. How or by whom it was first cultivated, we have not been able to learn with any degree of certainty:

Our figure was made from fine plants in the nursery of Messrs. Whitley and Brames.
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Discussion id : 73-400
most recent 9 AUG 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 AUG 13 by a_carl76
I wonder if the dates and descriptions on this variety are incorrect. I find it too coincidental that another rose (a moss) would be introduced on the same year with the same name (it is possible but I have my doubts).

There may be another Spinossissima with the same name however. The Vintage Gardens site describes the flower differently. This is what they say:

A beautiful old double Scots rose with flowers of soft blush tinted lavender pink blending to cream at the eye with chartreuse stamens, this is perhaps the best of the pinks. Alfred Parsons' portrait in The Genus Rosa does justice.

The site lists the intro date at around 1848.

My plant was recently obtained from Vintage. Is it possible that there is a third Andrewsii out there (two being spinossissimas)?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 7 AUG 13 by jedmar
The attribution of Scots roses to the original names is one of the most difficult areas. There may well be several clones out there as 'Andrewsii'.

In any case the ending Andrewsii on both the moss and the spinosissima does not refer to the breeder, but to Andrews who described both roses in his "Monograph on the Genus Rosa" (1828)
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 8 AUG 13 by a_carl76
Would another page for the Vintage Andrewsii be needed? It does seem that this variety might be significantly different than the two already listed.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 9 AUG 13 by jedmar
No, I would add description and photo to the current listing, in order to point out the different varieties in commerce. Hopefully, over time, this can be sorted out.
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