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"Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold" rose Reviews & Comments
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11 AUG 13
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Oh, bless you John. It is so good to have people contributing suggestions to the foundlings.
AmiRoses' photo of 'Alix Roussel' is certainly similar to Natalee Kuser's photo of "Smart's Rose" June 8, 2003 which I uploaded in 2009. Coppery yellow with salmon centre may fit. But it is the 1909 and 1914 references to elongated bud and bloom that don't quite jell with me. Do other growers in Australia see "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold" and "Smart's Rose" as ...elongated? And perhaps others may know of more early references to 'Alix Roussel'. I've had a wee search.
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Patricia, do you see "Smart's Rose" as a Tea? The one I have is on Fortuneana and doesn't like my clay, so I can't judge well from it.
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I have just read Graham Thomas in ‘The Rose Annual; UK 1970 p136 writing:
“Roses are often the main summer feature of great gardens where any sort of formality obtains. They do not fit, however, nor do they often thrive in the woodland groves and dells on acid loam in the many great rhododendron gardens.”
And boy, oh boy, is that my garden to a T. Great rhododendrons, great camellias, but the only place my roses really grow well is in my mind.
So….. my first 2002 cutting of “Smart’s Rose”, planted in gravely soil, died in 2009. Another plant purchased in 2003 on R. fortuniana rootstock was moved in 2007 out of this gravel to deep loam and this is the plant from which I have taken the photos for HelpMefind. It is OK. To have just one plant of something rare is always worrisome, so in 2010 I struck another and it is doing OK, but not thriving. So I have a couple of plants but we really should have opinions from people like Cree, the Bishop’s Lodge volunteers and if only John Nieuwesteeg…… I actually have “Smart’s Rose” in my garden records as being a hybrid tea. That is how it looks to me, but I could be wrong. It certainly looks more glandular than a tea normally is.
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You'e right, I didn't read the elongated bud reference, just to keep going how about primrose, references are a bit slim but one says flower is like Narcisse which I looked up and made me wonder?
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I don't think I've heard anyone call "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold" a Tea in Aus.
Later correction: I see it has been called a Tea, but not recently. And I still can't get the delete button to work.
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Primrose was bred by Bennett in 1885, some of his stuff isn't well documented and have been classified as Teas ie Grace Darling (1884) when they are probably an HT. This is probably the case with Primrose
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What Billy calls "one of the cuspy ones", then.
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The Friends of Bishop's Lodge now consider this to be identical with "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold", and have taken it off their lists.
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Re: "Bishop's Lodge Gold".
The name of this rose is "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold".
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“BISHOP’S LODGE QUIET REFLECTIONS”
Gold Tea.
1996 Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia Vol 18 No 4 Summer 1996
p18 David Ruston. Bishop’s Lodge, Hay and Its Roses. Teas. “Quiet Reflections” . Has a bud which is the same strong gold as “[Bishop’s Lodge] Precious Porcelain”, the single Hybrid Tea but the blooms are fairly full old gold, paling to almost white as it matures. The original bush is showing signs of age but the newly budded bushes are doing well. This is a rare colour in Tea roses.
1999. Dianne Ackland “The Australian Rose Directory” 3rd Edition
p79. Quiet Reflections. Unknown. Found at the Bishop’s Lodge, Hay. Tea. Gold. (Available at) Rose Cottage Nursery, Gawler, SA. and Melville Nurseries, W.A.
2003. Nov. Patricia’s notes at the Heritage Roses in Australia Inc. 7th National Conference, Hay, NSW
Somewhere, someone called it a soft gold Tea. It seems similar to ‘Lady Huntingfield’.
Lady Huntingfield’s pedicel is not smooth, but slightly, slightly rough
2003. Ruston’s Roses – Rose Collection 2003-2004
p88. Quiet Reflections. Tea. Gold. Ex Bishop’s Lodge, Hay.
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