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Discussion id : 139-199
most recent 11 MAR 23 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 MAR 23 by Lee H.
I’m confused. Heirloom states that the centennial commemorative rose for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is 'Never Forget' by Fabien Ducher. The tomb website (Tombguard dot org) states that the rose is Never Forget, or 'Niphetos', which was created by Bougere. Picture below from their website.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 10 MAR 23 by Margaret Furness
The rose in the photo isn't 'Niphetos', which shouldn't have double inverted commas.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 11 MAR 23 by Lee H.
Saved by the edit button again!
Reply #3 of 4 posted 11 MAR 23 by Margaret Furness
It has its uses! Not that I think I've ever seen a true Niphetos, but the photos are very different.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 MAR 23 by jedmar
It is a new rose by Fabien Ducher. Thank you for the heads up, it's added now.
Discussion id : 127-407
most recent 6 MAY 21 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 MAY 21 by Margaret Furness
Roses sold in Australia as Niphetos have included Mrs Herbert Stevens, White Ensign, "Mystery Cream Tea" which may be Belle Emilie, and Molly Sharman-Crawford.
Discussion id : 120-447
most recent 8 MAR 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 6 MAR 20 by rbehs
Just a note on the provenance of my Niphetos, the plant of which I have posted a number of pictures. I purchased it from Roses Unlimited in South Carolina. After somebody on an antique rose forum questioned if it was actually Mrs. Herbert Stevens, I contacted Roses Unlimited, and they said their plant came from a mother plant from Vintage Roses, which used to sell both Mrs. HS and Niphetos, and distinguished between them in their catalog. I haven't grown Mrs. HS to compare, but my plant does seem to match the old pictures of Niphetos, although I'm not an expert at identification. I have it growing outside, but I am in a very mild climate, and it is still not a vigorous shrub.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 6 MAR 20 by Patricia Routley
Do you have any side-on photos of your plant’s thorns?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 7 MAR 20 by rbehs
It was hard to focus on them, but here are two of the thorns.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 7 MAR 20 by rbehs
Hmmm I guess I would not describe them as thick and hooked.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 7 MAR 20 by HubertG
Your rose doesn't look to be 'Mrs. Herbert Stevens' to me.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 7 MAR 20 by Patricia Routley
rbehs, probably the provenance of your plant is Peter Beales-1; Vintage-2; (see todays PLANT REFERENCES). Your excellent thorn photos may throw into doubt any ‘Niphetos’ which came from Peter Beales in the UK.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 8 MAR 20 by rbehs
Thank you--very interesting. I noticed that some of the old references also mention hardiness, so I wonder what the story is with this non-hardy version currently in commerce.
Discussion id : 102-798
most recent 17 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 JUL 17 by John Hook
We have a Niphetos originating from Beales, We obtained it in 1998 as climbing niphetos. This rose is almost certainly the correct bush form and not climbing. It is incredibly tender and fragile and really can't be grown outside by us in SW France. We have both MHVs and it isn't either. We also have another named niphetos from Branchi, probably incorrect but not MHV, its a very good white tea maybe an offspring of the same
Reply #1 of 1 posted 17 JUL 17 by Andrew from Dolton
The description says hardy to zone 6b, that seems a little bit optimistic.
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