HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
DescriptionPhotosLineageAwardsReferencesMember RatingsMember CommentsMember JournalsCuttingsGardensBuy From 
'Oklahoma' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 82-664
most recent 16 FEB SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 24 JAN 15 by Give me caffeine
Although I do not actually grow this rose, I did recently have the opportunity to see it and smell it at a nursery.

I do have a 'Mister Lincoln' growing here, which has a great scent that is certainly nothing to complain about, but in my opinion the scent of 'Oklahoma' was even better. Hard to say exactly why, but it just seemed a bit lusher and earthier and sexier.

Given that it's supposed to be as tough as old boots, I may have to get one sometime.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 15 posted 14 FEB by veilchenblau
Did you end up getting an Oklahoma?
I'm tossing up between it and Mr Lincoln.....
REPLY
Reply #2 of 15 posted 14 FEB by Give me caffeine
Haven't got one yet. Lincoln is easier to come by, and they reckon it's more vigorous. But then I've seen people say their Oklahoma's get huge too, so it can't be a weakling. Really I'd like to have both.

Edit: And hey, public comments working for me this morning! It's a miracle!
REPLY
Reply #3 of 15 posted 14 FEB by veilchenblau
I've been contemplating having both side by side as well, but...I'm running out of space....
Treloars and Ross roses have them both listed, and Treloars have Lincoln as a climber (which is tempting, but I have no more space for climbers)
I've heard that Oklahoma is darker but not as "velvety". do you remember at all? (I know your post was ages ago, so sorry if this is pesky)
Cheers.
REPLY
Reply #4 of 15 posted 15 FEB by Give me caffeine
No, sorry, I can't remember that detail.

TBH even the bush form of Lincoln tends to grow straight up, and can easily hit eight feet. I'm not sure how different the climber would be.
REPLY
Reply #5 of 15 posted 15 FEB by veilchenblau
No worries. That helps, to hear about Lincoln's growth pattern. Thanks.
REPLY
Reply #6 of 15 posted 15 FEB by billy teabag
We have the family growing together - siblings Mr Lincoln, Oklahoma and Papa Meilland and the parents Charles Mallerin and Chryster Imperial.
They are all incredibly beautifully scented and it's so nice to be able to pick fragrant red roses for the times when only fragrant red roses will do.
In our conditions, with benign neglect and on fortuneana rootstock, all are very tall, except for Chrysler Imperial which has a more compact habit.
Each has a slightly different 'usual' bloom colour and shape.
Of the siblings, Oklahoma is the darkest and the bloom form is slightly globular.
Mr Lincoln is the lightest deep red of the three and the classic buds open to a cup shaped bloom. It makes the tallest and most robust bush in our conditions.
Papa Meilland is a very dark red, often with the blackish velvet sheen. The bloom form is the most classic - high-centred, opening in spiral form. It produces blooms on very long stems and the bush gets very tall by the end of the season if you don't keep bringing it down. The plant is strong but tends to be a bit sparse.
Of the parents, Charles Mallerin has ridiculously long stems. The plant looks thin and stretched and there's not much to ours. Mr Lincoln is very tall, but tends to make quite a lot of growth, so it is a much more robust and substantial-looking bush by comparison. Charles Mallerin is a very dark red but lacks some of the life and lustre of its beautiful children. It also doesn't repeat as often as all the others.
Chrysler Imperial is a really lovely rose - a slightly lighter red, but more petals, so the most voluptuous of the five - it has a bloom of exquisite shape and fragrance and the bush is more compact. It is Noelene Drage's favourite red florists' rose.
I love them all in the garden and if you could bottle the pleasure they have given to ourselves and others over the years....but Papa Meilland is my favourite as a cut flower and Chrysler Imperial is in a class of its own too.
REPLY
Reply #7 of 15 posted 15 FEB by Give me caffeine
Hmmph. Now I want to try them all too. :P As if I didn't have enough to deal with.

Incidentally, I'm coming to the conclusion that roses are best interplanted with other things. One spiky mongrel on one side of me can be dealt with. Spiky mongrels on both sides is more problematic. I'm currently thinking things should always be arranged so that there is either a genuinely thornless rose (ie: G. Nabonnand, Peace, Mrs. Dudders, etc) or a normal thornless shrub, between everything that wants to bite me.
REPLY
Reply #9 of 15 posted 15 FEB by veilchenblau
givemecaffeine, isn't there a saying "so many roses, so little time"? I'll add to that "too many possums"!
I do under plant and co plant quite a lot, so roses are part of a cottage style garden, and their bare sticky legs are hidden.
but also because that seems to deter the possums and the wallabies. If i plant things around the roses that they dont' like to eat (lavenders, salvias, pentsemons, foxgloves etc) it seems to put them off the scent a bit.
REPLY
Reply #8 of 15 posted 15 FEB by veilchenblau
deleted post as I stuck it in the wrong spot. Sorry givemecaffeine. Cheers.
REPLY
Reply #10 of 15 posted 15 FEB by Give me caffeine
I'm not actually a her. ;)
REPLY
Reply #11 of 15 posted 15 FEB by veilchenblau
Thanks billytea for your detailed and generous post. Chrysler Imperial has long been on my 'wish list'. No one that currently ships to Tassie has it. But one day!
As you have both mentioned Lincoln does well in our climate, I may be 'conservative' and go for that one first. As I am still establishing my new garden and a bit nervous about our soil (hydrophobic, that needs constant amending) and the lack of rainfall (being on water tanks).
It was also givemecaffeines photo of his Mister Lincoln that made me think "I need a classic red!"
But thanks to you both for your help.
Cheers.
REPLY
Reply #12 of 15 posted 16 FEB by Give me caffeine
I don't care how many times you re-post it. I'm still not going for gender reassignment. :D
REPLY
Reply #13 of 15 posted 16 FEB by veilchenblau
Got it! Many apologies caffeine, will amend the post. (Took a while, but I finally got it!)
REPLY
Reply #14 of 15 posted 16 FEB by Give me caffeine
No worries. I was more amused than offended. ;)
REPLY
Reply #15 of 15 posted 16 FEB by veilchenblau
If you were amused for a minute then at least I have some uses!
REPLY
Discussion id : 115-085
most recent 25 JAN 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 JAN 19 by davyjns
Kind of depressing color but has a wonderful old rose scent.
REPLY
Discussion id : 38-845
most recent 1 AUG 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 AUG 09 by Carlene
I live in Houston where the sun is very strong, and I have Oklahoma planted in a pot under the outer branches of an Oak tree. It gets maybe 3-4 hours of sun a day, and it still blooms!!! Today I cut a lovely long stemmed beauty and it is in a vase on my kitchen counter. Who knew this rose was shade tolerant too??? Wow.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 AUG 09 by HMF Admin
Thanks Carlene !
REPLY
Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. on shade-tolerance.
REPLY
Discussion id : 74-948
most recent 9 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 5 NOV 13 by Jay-Jay
In the description for this rose is written: "USDA zone 7b through 10b."
But also: "Does not do well in warmer climates."
Which climates are warmer than 10b? Or why is there a discrepancy between the two quotes? Or do I not understand it well?
...Oops, In the mean time I looked further in the comments and
-Discussion id : 60-437 most recent 1 JAN 12- shined some light on my riddle.
But still in the description the two quotes seem to conflict for a superficial reader.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 3 posted 8 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
I had the same confusion!
REPLY
Reply #2 of 3 posted 8 OCT 16 by Patricia Routley
It obviously does do well in warmer climates, so we have removed that misleading statement. Thanks for pointing this out Jay-Jay
REPLY
Reply #3 of 3 posted 9 OCT 16 by Jay-Jay
You're welcome. And one, who wants some more info about this rose, can read the comments or consult the ratings.
REPLY
© 2021 HelpMeFind.com