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'Oklahoma' rose Reviews & Comments
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Although I do not actually grow this rose, I did recently have the opportunity to see it and smell it at a nursery.
I do have a 'Mister Lincoln' growing here, which has a great scent that is certainly nothing to complain about, but in my opinion the scent of 'Oklahoma' was even better. Hard to say exactly why, but it just seemed a bit lusher and earthier and sexier.
Given that it's supposed to be as tough as old boots, I may have to get one sometime.
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Did you end up getting an Oklahoma? I'm tossing up between it and Mr Lincoln.....
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Haven't got one yet. Lincoln is easier to come by, and they reckon it's more vigorous. But then I've seen people say their Oklahoma's get huge too, so it can't be a weakling. Really I'd like to have both.
Edit: And hey, public comments working for me this morning! It's a miracle!
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I've been contemplating having both side by side as well, but...I'm running out of space.... Treloars and Ross roses have them both listed, and Treloars have Lincoln as a climber (which is tempting, but I have no more space for climbers) I've heard that Oklahoma is darker but not as "velvety". do you remember at all? (I know your post was ages ago, so sorry if this is pesky) Cheers.
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No, sorry, I can't remember that detail.
TBH even the bush form of Lincoln tends to grow straight up, and can easily hit eight feet. I'm not sure how different the climber would be.
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No worries. That helps, to hear about Lincoln's growth pattern. Thanks.
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We have the family growing together - siblings Mr Lincoln, Oklahoma and Papa Meilland and the parents Charles Mallerin and Chryster Imperial. They are all incredibly beautifully scented and it's so nice to be able to pick fragrant red roses for the times when only fragrant red roses will do. In our conditions, with benign neglect and on fortuneana rootstock, all are very tall, except for Chrysler Imperial which has a more compact habit. Each has a slightly different 'usual' bloom colour and shape. Of the siblings, Oklahoma is the darkest and the bloom form is slightly globular. Mr Lincoln is the lightest deep red of the three and the classic buds open to a cup shaped bloom. It makes the tallest and most robust bush in our conditions. Papa Meilland is a very dark red, often with the blackish velvet sheen. The bloom form is the most classic - high-centred, opening in spiral form. It produces blooms on very long stems and the bush gets very tall by the end of the season if you don't keep bringing it down. The plant is strong but tends to be a bit sparse. Of the parents, Charles Mallerin has ridiculously long stems. The plant looks thin and stretched and there's not much to ours. Mr Lincoln is very tall, but tends to make quite a lot of growth, so it is a much more robust and substantial-looking bush by comparison. Charles Mallerin is a very dark red but lacks some of the life and lustre of its beautiful children. It also doesn't repeat as often as all the others. Chrysler Imperial is a really lovely rose - a slightly lighter red, but more petals, so the most voluptuous of the five - it has a bloom of exquisite shape and fragrance and the bush is more compact. It is Noelene Drage's favourite red florists' rose. I love them all in the garden and if you could bottle the pleasure they have given to ourselves and others over the years....but Papa Meilland is my favourite as a cut flower and Chrysler Imperial is in a class of its own too.
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Hmmph. Now I want to try them all too. :P As if I didn't have enough to deal with.
Incidentally, I'm coming to the conclusion that roses are best interplanted with other things. One spiky mongrel on one side of me can be dealt with. Spiky mongrels on both sides is more problematic. I'm currently thinking things should always be arranged so that there is either a genuinely thornless rose (ie: G. Nabonnand, Peace, Mrs. Dudders, etc) or a normal thornless shrub, between everything that wants to bite me.
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givemecaffeine, isn't there a saying "so many roses, so little time"? I'll add to that "too many possums"! I do under plant and co plant quite a lot, so roses are part of a cottage style garden, and their bare sticky legs are hidden. but also because that seems to deter the possums and the wallabies. If i plant things around the roses that they dont' like to eat (lavenders, salvias, pentsemons, foxgloves etc) it seems to put them off the scent a bit.
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deleted post as I stuck it in the wrong spot. Sorry givemecaffeine. Cheers.
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I'm not actually a her. ;)
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Thanks billytea for your detailed and generous post. Chrysler Imperial has long been on my 'wish list'. No one that currently ships to Tassie has it. But one day! As you have both mentioned Lincoln does well in our climate, I may be 'conservative' and go for that one first. As I am still establishing my new garden and a bit nervous about our soil (hydrophobic, that needs constant amending) and the lack of rainfall (being on water tanks). It was also givemecaffeines photo of his Mister Lincoln that made me think "I need a classic red!" But thanks to you both for your help. Cheers.
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I don't care how many times you re-post it. I'm still not going for gender reassignment. :D
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Got it! Many apologies caffeine, will amend the post. (Took a while, but I finally got it!)
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No worries. I was more amused than offended. ;)
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If you were amused for a minute then at least I have some uses!
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Kind of depressing color but has a wonderful old rose scent.
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I live in Houston where the sun is very strong, and I have Oklahoma planted in a pot under the outer branches of an Oak tree. It gets maybe 3-4 hours of sun a day, and it still blooms!!! Today I cut a lovely long stemmed beauty and it is in a vase on my kitchen counter. Who knew this rose was shade tolerant too??? Wow.
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Thank you for the info. on shade-tolerance.
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In the description for this rose is written: "USDA zone 7b through 10b." But also: "Does not do well in warmer climates." Which climates are warmer than 10b? Or why is there a discrepancy between the two quotes? Or do I not understand it well? ...Oops, In the mean time I looked further in the comments and -Discussion id : 60-437 most recent 1 JAN 12- shined some light on my riddle. But still in the description the two quotes seem to conflict for a superficial reader.
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I had the same confusion!
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It obviously does do well in warmer climates, so we have removed that misleading statement. Thanks for pointing this out Jay-Jay
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#3 of 3 posted
9 OCT 16 by
Jay-Jay
You're welcome. And one, who wants some more info about this rose, can read the comments or consult the ratings.
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