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'Premier Bal' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 61-275
most recent 21 JAN 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
I bought this one from a well-known place thinking and honestly hoping it was the 1955 bigger, "juicier" Premier Bal, the one pictured in Bertrand Park's 1962 book and in Edlund's "Pocket Encyclopedia of Roses." Well, it appears to be this 1950 version! This picture here is spot-on and prior I had thought I had gotten Fantastique because THIS version, 1950, seems to grow just like the parent: super-low, like 2 feet across and 18 inches tall...............it blooms like mad, it smells divine, I am learning to love it..............has anyone else out there have this 1950? Does anyone have 1955?????
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Kim Rupert
This one probably grows stronger than Fantastique with the infusion of Caprice's genes. I love Fantastique and always thought it would make a delightful standard. Seems this one would, also.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
Kim you are so correct! I had never thought of that, but so true..............short and fat and bloomy and showy if not even garish.............great suggestion! I assumed 1950 PB was over and done with years ago, had no idea this is the one Vintage has been selling...............there is very, very little recorded on this one............the pic here from when it was introduced leaves nothing to the imagination, it looks like a photo of what I have..................
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Landperson
The Premier Bal which is currently available at Vintage is listed as Meilland 1955.
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
I know, Landperson, I know...............that is the one I wanted. And who is to say? Maybe there is something I am doing wrong in my growing practices which results in a really healthy, vigorous plant that morphs into something that looks exactly like another "version" of a named variety.........I am probably totally wrong. Who is to say? Who is to say..............Vintage and Rogue and Angel and Heirloom and Burlington and Antique Emporium and Roses Unlimited, I know Landperson, I know. They NEVER get their information a little "off" despite best efforts and intentions, and never is a rose mislabeled, either..............2 G's Landperson, 2 G's...........
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Landperson
Sorry, I thought you stated that Vintage was selling the 1950 version. My mistake.
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
And hopefully you laugh over this as I did.............all mine grow in the back yard, behind a rock wall, on the patio, whatever.............but last summer I started "rose of the week" and would move my 2 or 3 best performers out front where everyone in the neighborhood could see..........they are all clearly labeled (shout out to Harlane) and I wouldn't say I creep or spy but yeah, I sort of keep a heads up to see what the rest of the neighborhood has to say..........last summer one of the down street neighbors walked by and stopped at Premier Bal 1950 as I was gathering the hose on the side and says out loud to her husband "They have it wrong. This is Double Delight." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I had it from Vintage and grew it for a few seasons. It was a good rose in my climate though I wouldn't say necessarily superior to 'Fantastique'. That said, I have a feeling it will Blackspot for almost anyone that lives in a climate where Blackspot is a problem. Other seedlings out of 'Fantastique' tend to suffer the same fate.
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Kim Rupert
Fantistique was terrible for black spot in these parts.
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Kim, this is the first year I have observed Blackspot in my climate.

I have a lovely seedling out of 'Fantastique here. No surprise it was one of the first affected.

I had it propagated to give away and sadly dumped them instead.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
I figured whether it was more from PEACE (55) or FANTASTIQUE (50) it would be one of the sickest roses I had............it wasn't/isn't..............it was by no means the best, oh yes it got BS but it did NOT get mildew and mildew in my 6a garden '11 was the worst, the worst, many were disfigured and nothing I did could do much more than keep it somewhat at bay, in 35 years of rose growing, never anything like that with mildew...........anyway, whatever version I have, and I believe it is the F50, it did surprisingly well............
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Reply #15 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Kim Rupert
If you want to avoid mildew, you should try Buck's Maytime. It is the rose Dr. Walter Lammerts proclaimed "Immune to powdery mildew". It IS very clean here, and very fertile. It has rooted amazingly well, very quickly, too.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Kim Rupert
Oh, no! I hope the humidity isn't increasing there to the point black spot will become a usual issue. With your heat and that kind of humidity, it will be deadly out there!
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Kim, it could be Blackspot is evolving to survive in the micro-climate of my propagation area. Strangely enough I almost welcome It. I assume anything that will spot here will spot anywhere. I can cull accordingly.
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
Kim and I discussed Redgold.............I lived in Chico, CA and that stupid rose had these spots.......yeah...............lost all of its leaves..................yeah..........we had to look it up. BLACKSPOT. In 100 degrees and -7 humidity. Yes. I assume you are in Cali. Once we got to Ohio I met TRUE endemic blackspot and the lovely japanese beetle and the the saw fly................Ohio tries my patience on so many levels...............
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 21 JAN 12 by goncmg
Oh Kim, Columbus may as well be Miami in the summer............wet wool blanket, blackspot beyond belief, anything with Peace in it loses leaves..........the midwest is cruel and ironic......92/81, 93/83........those are typical highs and lows for my garden in July................insane..........
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