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'Lord Tarquin' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 129-684
most recent 19 NOV 21 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
I've been sent scans of a few pages of a Journal of Horticulture, published in Australia in 1909. The article is by Arthur Moore of Hunter's Hill, NSW, and is titled, The Survival of the Fittest. It lists all the teas in cultivation at the time, by introduction date, with only 60% to 70% indicated as being available in Australia. The list was based on European price lists (possibly also American).
It gives a release date of 1832 for Lord Tarquin, but has many inaccuracies, especially in regard to synonyms.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 15 NOV 21 by Patricia Routley
Well that is the same date as Bougère - along with Belle de Mettray, Bocage, Charlotte de la Boivinière, Flon, Florian, Gros-Major, Hippolite, and Virginie.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 15 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
When I get better scans, I'll post them somewhere.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 16 NOV 21 by billy teabag
Have you been able to find out whether there's any reference to the source of Arthur Moore's information?
It was common for information to be copied from Journal des Roses and English publications such as the Garden and The Gardener's Chronicle. I recall a number of journal articles and book chapters that listed a confused mixture of true synonyms and other sets of roses that may have had considerable difference in habit but with blooms that were deemed "too much alike".
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 16 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
He implies that his info comes from European ( = Continental) price lists, if I'm reading it correctly. See photo.
(Commonwealth in this context means Australia.) I'll try to find out if there's an explanatory page before the start of the list (of Teas released between 1832 and 1870).
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 16 NOV 21 by jedmar
He says 'Lord Tarquin' is 'Bougère'! Jocelyn's photos of 'Lord Tarquin' do not however seem to have the thick petals which 'Bougère' was reported to have
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 16 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
The list also gives Comtesse Georges de Germiny as a synonym, but HMF says it's an offspring of Bougere. I can post the rest of the scans if you're interested, though the quality isn't good.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 17 NOV 21 by billy teabag
Something for consideration but not necessarily definite proof of one thing or the other: a number of Australian nurseries from the 1860s til the 1st World War listed both Bougere and Lord Tarquin, with different brief descriptions: Lord Tarquin as "pale flesh", Bougere as "deep rosy bronze". Both blooms described as "full".
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 17 NOV 21 by billy teabag
Thanks Margaret.
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Reply #10 of 9 posted 19 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
The publication is the Australasian (ie of Australia and New Zealand) Journal of Horticulture. The purpose of the article was to document which of the many Tea roses released between 1832 and 1870 were still available commercially in the United States, and which of those were still for sale in Australia.
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Discussion id : 31-102
most recent 6 FEB 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 OCT 08 by Jocelyn Janon
Is this tea rose available outside of New Zealand?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 22 OCT 08 by Margaret Furness
Deleted.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 FEB 10 by John Hook
Definately not!
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Discussion id : 29-680
most recent 10 AUG 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 AUG 08 by Ozoldroser
"Lord Tarquin T Pale flesh shaded; free
syn Bougere"
a handwritten entry from a lined notebook owned by Chas. J Savage, Kain St. Box Hill (Victoria, Australia) - (circa 1915-17?) listing many old roses - owned by Robert Swinbourne but loaned to and photocopied by Pat Toolan. Handwritten in pen and ink.
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