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'Rosa aldersonii Greene synoynm' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 70-154
most recent 22 FEB 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 21 FEB 13 by Tessie
The label for the R. californica introduction 'First Dawn'.

Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
That's an odd one. Is it the species, or something bred from R. californica, ( by whom and when?)
If we add 'R. californica First Dawn', it would join R. californica Dark Pink' and R. californica Double Trouble' with only one photo between the three of them. I suspect they are all natural variations of the species: one dark pink, one double and this one creamy pink. More info is needed.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 FEB 13 by Tessie
It's a selection of the species by Suncrest Nurseries in California. My local botanic garden, Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden in Claremont, often stocks this rose in their nursery. RSABG specializes in California native plants, and they have on the grounds multiple plants of R. californica that were collected in counties throughout the state. They do vary. RSABG even has a thornless R. californica. They sometimes propagate one of the selections they have on the grounds, but First Dawn has proven to be such a fine representative of the species that they often have it in stock. They sell it as a species rose, and they certainly have the expertise on staff to know.

I asked Suncrest in January, I think, about the origin of First Dawn because I like it so much and was curious. They told me a friend of the nursery collected seed in the wild, and they raised a bunch of the seedlings. This was the best one, and they gave it the name 'First Dawn'. I have 2 of them already and they are quite beautiful. It is an exceptionally prolific bloomer, producing large sprays of single flowers as well as copious small hips loved by birds. Rebloom is the best of all the R. californicas I have (most of the year), and better than any of the others that RSABG has too. Flowers are the very palest of pink (the lightest R. californica I've ever seen), cupped, and distinctive. It is extremely fragrant.

What attracted me to this rose in the first place was the wafting fragrance it produces. I was at the annual plant sale of RSABG in November of 2011. I had a shopping list of native plants to buy which did not include any roses.;) I told myself I had plenty! So I avoided going near the roses, yet I could smell something really good was coming from that direction. As the morning progressed, and I added to my pile of plants to buy in the holding area, I went back to get more, and happened to go down the aisle that had roses. An accident I'm sure! The fragrance on that aisle was something I won't ever forget, FANTASTIC. I had to check to see what rose smelled so darn good and was capable of perfuming the whole area. Rosa californica 'First Dawn', and they had a group of them all in full bloom. There was no way I wasn't bringing THAT home.

Btw I have LOTS of photos of First Dawn.;) I have posted one under R. californica, but it doesn't seem the most helpful way to display it. Others may want the appearance and performance of R. californica 'First Dawn' and may be disappointed if they go out and buy R. californica expecting to get the same look.

Suncrest shows it on their list of nursery introductions: downloads/Introductions by Suncrest Nurseries 2011.pdf
See page 8.

Discussion id : 45-446
most recent 2 JUN 10 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 JUN 10 by Kathy Strong
Available from - Tree of Life Nursery
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33201 Ortega Highway
P.O. Box 635
San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675

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Discussion id : 39-534
most recent 2 OCT 09 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 OCT 09 by Cass
I disagree with the description of the bloom at Sangerhausen as "solitary." Rosa californica in both Northern California counties I've reviewed produces blooms in large terminal clusters. I just counted the number of hips in the top of a new cane: 120. Solitary bloom is not typical in either Marin County or in Sonoma County. The Jepson Manual's description is 1-20 blooms in an inflorescence, counting the cyme on each tiny stem as an inflorescence. The occasional solitary bloom is the exception, not the rule, both in my observation and in the descriptions of the species in its native range.
Discussion id : 5-381
most recent 25 FEB 04 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797
Completely drought tolerant, but OK with ordinary garden watering. Spreads slowly by suckers and forms small wild thicket, with long growing season new canes will make new blooms all summer into autumn. Wonderful scent, edible seedy hips.
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