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'Rosa fedtschenkoana Regel' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 123-763
most recent 7 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 NOV by Viviane SCHUSSELE
Olga Fedtchenko, 1845 – 1921
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Discussion id : 97-270
most recent 26 AUG 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 FEB 17 by JasonSims1984
Does anyone still have this rose, or have any cuttings, seedlings, or seeds they would like to trade from it? Quatre Saisons Blanc Mosseux is the closest thing I have to it, but I really want to get directly to the foliage fragrance and continuous bloom genes. I want to get apple scented eglanteria foliage to mix with mossy noble fir scent and add some primula incense scent to make a rose with really great foliage. I think that the scented leaf quality will be a play a big part in deterring insects and disease when they are all added together. Imagine moss, pine, apple, and incense! Yum. Beggeriana supposedly combines fragrant eglanteria type scent with remontancy.

Anyway, once again, does anyone have a sucker from this rose or some seeds they can spare? I can provide a lot of interesting things in response. :)
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 6 FEB 17 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Jason, Fedtschenkoana is dormant (deciduous) now and it is raining (again!) so it will be a while before it's dry enough to wade out to where it sits in its pot to see what there may be as far as suckers. Fed. will bud but I've not had great success in rooting it. Some have callused and a very few have actually pushed a few roots, but suckers are definitely the best way to go. I like the whimsy in your mixing foliage scents idea, but I think you are likely to find if you do obtain scented foliage, it's likely to be something rather mundane like "pine" or other more common evergreen scent. They don't appear to carry far into successive generations in my experience.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 24 AUG 19 by Plazbo
"They don't appear to carry far into successive generations in my experience."

While I'm sure there's likely unlisted hybrids, the one thing I notice is the hybrids descending from your original crosses don't cross back to siblings/cousins/etc, things that are foliage scented themselves. Not surprising to see scented foliage decline each generation when each generation is likely losing some of the genes involved in foliage scent.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 24 AUG 19 by Rupert, Kim L.
Granted. I don't "back cross" or use siblings because there are other issues I don't wish to fix in the results. Room is limited so being able to pot and observe many incestuous offspring isn't something I can easily accomplish. Perhaps for someone with more years, acres and water, that may be something interesting and maybe even worthwhile to explore.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 26 AUG 19 by Plazbo
It's something I've started a journey on to (along with a few other traits I'm attempting to isolate into more friendly plants)....I'm not 100% sure a huge amount of space will be required, seedlings could be discarded fairly quickly in the second generation. In a Jim Sproul type set up (ie 2,000 to 4,000 seedlings in a 5' x 20' area) space while not completely ignored isn't insurmountable (I mean the average car size is 6' x 15', only 10 feet squared less).

We know Blue For You x Fedt works somewhat reliably and Blue For You isn't an awful plant, breed enough of those as comfortable, check seedling (F1) pollen under microscope for consistent size to narrow down probable tetraploid seedlings. Cross those seedlings (F1) with each other/self extensively. From those crossings (F2) select the approx 1 in 32 juvenile bloomers (so in that 5x20 area approx 62 to 124 roses) and cross fingers that genetic recombination has been favourable and produced something that has mostly Fedt like foliage. If not either take the most Fedt like seedling/s and cross back to Fedt and repeat the process or cross back to the better F1/s (still half Fedt after all) for an approx 1 in 6 juvenile repeat (so approx 333 to 666 roses in that 5x20 space) and selecting for most Fedt like foliage....which should see at least incremental improvement if not something that's fairly close Fedt like in foliage. Granted that's theoretical so mileage may vary, check back in a few years :D

As you point out the Fedt foliage traits decline/disappear rather quickly when straying too far from Fedt so maintaining it is likely going to require fairly closely related breeding. It'd be more an attempt to introgress genes and traits from moderns into Fedt rather than Fedt traits into the modern rose genome.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 26 AUG 19 by Rupert, Kim L.
Go for it! I hope you have good success with it. Enjoy!
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Discussion id : 83-335
most recent 22 FEB 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 FEB 15 by Tessie
Check this site out for more photos of Роза Федченко: http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/32239.html

There are even some with pink flowers instead of white.

Melissa
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Discussion id : 81-581
most recent 9 NOV 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 NOV 14 by Salix
Fantastic rose! I received 3 suckers of this from Kim and they took off! The leaves have a lovely scent and a ghostly color. It is VERY thorny and the new growth, especially the suckers, has a lovely plum color. The suckers are already suckering. Not the best rose to put in the average rose garden, unless you have lots of friends to receive the suckers. I am keeping them in one of those tree pots for now. I am eagerly awaiting the blooms- stinky or not!
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