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'Bella Donna' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 93-238
most recent 14 MAR 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 7 JUN 16 by scvirginia
"[Léonie Bell's] 1969 article “A Recipe for Roast Crow” poked fun at her misidentification in The Fragrant Year of the rose she had by then become the first to correctly identify as the Damask ‘Bella Donna’ (Thomas and most other experts knew it as ‘Queen of the Centifolias’)."
https://www.monticello.org/site/blog-and-community/posts/lioness-musk-and-monticello’s-bell-garden
I don't have access to the above-referenced article; if anyone can provide the relevant reference, I think that would be useful.

Thanks,
Virginia
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 8 JUN 16 by Patricia Routley
While the words "roast crow" sound familiar to me, I wonder if it is the 1969 American Rose Annual page 66 article by Leonie Bell entitled 'The Rose That Is Not Kazanlik' that you are after?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 8 JUN 16 by scvirginia
Very possibly it is the same article, and the "citation" I had was incorrect. If not, the title you have sounds like the content is probably much the same.

It sounds like Bell believed that the rose that was (and still is?) in commerce as 'Centifolia Queen' ('Reine des Centfeuilles') was actually the Damask 'Bella Donna'. I'm not sure how 'Kazanlik' ties in unless that was her first guess when she decided the Centifolia Queen was actually a Damask.

What I'm wondering is what her sources were for the 'Bella Donna' ID. There are very few early references that I can find; they are all in English from the 1840's, and not very detailed. Did the French really not have this rose, or did they call it something else? It's a puzzlement.

Thanks,
Virginia
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 9 JUN 16 by Patricia Routley
I'll get the article to you.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 JUN 16 by scvirginia
Thanks for scanning and sending, Patricia- that was very kind.

After reading through the article, it sounds like Bell studied descriptions of Damask roses in the catalogs of Buist and Prince, ruled out most of the Damasks listed as not describing her foundling, and was left with two candidates that might be her rose: 'Bella Donna' and 'Grand Triomphe'. In this article, she was leaning towards 'Grand Triomphe' as the correct ID for her rose, so I'm guessing that in the 'Roast Crow' article, she favored 'Bella Donna' as an ID?

She felt that the 'Grand Triomphe' of Buist and Prince in America corresponded in description to 'Le Triomphe' as described by Mrs. Gore. I guess I need to add that plant record...

Thanks again,
Virginia
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 14 MAR 19 by Holly Hagy
Hi. Did you read Nicole Juday’s Article about Bella Donna in the book Mystery Roses? She sheds some light on the info Ms. Bell had in I’d-ing this rose in the ‘70’s...
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Discussion id : 66-774
most recent 4 SEP 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 SEP 12 by Jackie L.
Bella Donna is a wonderful rose for z6b in Virginia and is well adapted to our climate. She blooms once and is covered in fragrant blooms that pull her canes to the ground. When she is well fertilized she suckers freely. She gets some blackspot but not until after the spring flush.
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Discussion id : 63-292
most recent 6 APR 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 APR 12 by Lucretia
This rose has some of the most incredible structured blooms, but the plant is not very vigorous in my garden. Also seems somewhat subject to canker.
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Discussion id : 30-080
most recent 31 AUG 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 AUG 08 by Unregistered Guest
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