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"Sophie's Perpetual" rose Reviews & Comments
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25 FEB 20 by
 HubertG
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There's currently no breeder listed for 'Dresden China'. The 1921 references from 'Gardening Illustrated' seem to make it clear that it was bred by Paul and Son of Cheshunt, and the obituary for George Paul in the same issue suggests it might even have been by him. In any case it's from that firm. The references also clearly indicate that it was a new rose at the time, not a much older rose (as I read in the comments here).
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#1 of 2 posted
25 FEB 20 by
jedmar
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Thank you for the heads up! Completed the breeding and introduction data and added a bit of family history to Humphrey Brooke.
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#2 of 2 posted
25 FEB 20 by
HubertG
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No worries, it was just something that I noticed. Many thanks.
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24 NOV 12 by
Jay-Jay
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The description states shade tolerant, but in my garden it almost doesn't grow or bloom at a shady spot.
Others Like Tuscany, Rose de Rescht, Apothecary Rose, William Lobb and the Centifolia's do well at that same spot.
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#1 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
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Thank you. One person mentioned that the Apothecary Rose bloomed in less than 3 hours of sun .. I'm shopping for roses in partial shade.
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#2 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Try Souvenir du Docteur Jamain! And as a climber Mme Alfred Carrière.
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#3 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
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Jay-jay: Thank you, I like dark-red color roses (look good against my white house). I'm adding your info. to the long-list of shade-tolerant roses in my JOURNAL entry. Like me, so many people in HMF also ask for shade-tolerant roses, so I put them in the below link:
https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/guest.php?tab=42
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#5 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
Jay-Jay
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You're welcome.
The scent of the kind Docteur is to die for!!!
And almost thornless!!!
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#4 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
Andrew from Dolton
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'Mme Alfred Carrière' has hardly any thorns as well.
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#6 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Yup... but those she has, can/might surprise and grab one while pruning or training.
And a good uncommon scent too, like elder-blossom.
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#7 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
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Yes, the big rose can really stab me. Shade-tolerant Sharifa Asma is tiny as own-root, it's prickly but never poke me. Yesterday I fluff up my shady & pH near 8 clay with pine-bark shavings (pH 4), that's sold at Pet Section at Walmart .. used to line rabbit's cage. Small & yellowish pine-shavings is fantastic in breaking up rock-hard-clay, along with gypsum (17% to 21% sulfur). I use the tiny-granules gypsum, which is more acidic.
Recently I moved 2 roses into 4 hours of morning sun only: Comte de Chambord (fried in hot sun). And James Galway. After moving, Comte is wilting in clay & gypsum, but James Galway is perky in fluffy soil (clay with pine-shavings & gypsum).
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#8 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
Lavenderlace
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Straw, does your James Galway have any fragrance? It's a beautiful rose!
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#9 of 10 posted
25 JUL 17 by
StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
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It's in buds now (bought end of June as gallon-own-root) .. will let you know later.
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#10 of 10 posted
26 JUL 17 by
Lavenderlace
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26 FEB 15 by
CybeRose
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Gardeners' Chronicle p. 141 (Sept 10, 1921)
Rose Dresden China.--A distinctly good China Rose of large size and great freedom of flowering. The flowers, which are born in large flattish trusses, are of cardinal red colour paling to a delicate blush pink in the centre. Shown by Mr. George Paul.
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26 FEB 15 by
CybeRose
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Journal of the Royal Horticultural Society (1922) p. lxxx
To Rose 'Dresden China' (votes 19 for), from Messrs. G. Paul, Cheshunt. A very free-flowering, sweetly scented China rose of moderate size and a pleasing carmine-rose colour.
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