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'Tour de Malakoff' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 74-568
most recent 21 SEP 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 OCT 13 by Jay-Jay
Most of the photographed roses look, as if they have too many petals!
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Reply #1 of 17 posted 18 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Jay-Jay what does yours look like? Do you have a picture you can share? I wish this rose was available here!
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Reply #2 of 17 posted 18 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Hi Alana,
I should have specified myself:
I saw the rose at Aurelija's place (she made pictures) and I liked it.
I went to HMF for the description and all the other assets.
In the description for Tour de Malakoff on HMF is on the one hand written it is a Centifolia (hundred flower-petals) and on the other hand, the description states it is double: 17-25 petals.
But most of the photo's show flowers with many more petals. ("really 100 petals")
That's why I wrote my comment, but until now no-one reacted to it.
And Alas, I still do not have this rose, but may get some budwood from Aurelija, if I asked for it.
On the photo of Jeffcat http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.163293 the flower seems to have the right amount of petals fitting the description.
Maybe a real connoisseur might shine his or her light on this matter?

PS: I really like those very double roses pictured on HMF... even better than the "maybe original-one".
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Reply #3 of 17 posted 18 MAR 16 by Patricia Routley
Obviously 17-25 petals was wrong. We've increased it to the maximum we have, which is 41+. Perhaps one day an old reference with the number of petals may yet turn up. Thanks to you both.
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Reply #4 of 17 posted 19 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Thanks Jay-Jay. I'm sorry to hear you no longer have this rose. Hopefully you can get her again. It's funny how you sometimes prefer the fake to the original huh?
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Reply #5 of 17 posted 19 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Please read the comment of Patricia and the older references.
Then may come clear, that the many-petaled ones are supposedly the right ones.
And those I like better.
In Charles Quest Ritsons' Encyclopedia (2003) of roses the photo is of the many petaled rose de-pictured on HMF. He calls it a China-Hybrid. Zone 5. Prone to mildew and Blackspot.
Mr. Ritson states, that it is one of those crosses between a Chinese and an old European Rose. (translated from the Dutch Version)
For more info see the English version.
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Reply #6 of 17 posted 19 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Ohh ok, that went right over my head! BTW I emailed Hortico, which is listed as selling this rose and they said they no longer have it, so they may need to be removed as a place selling this rose! Thanks Patricia and Jay-Jay.
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Reply #7 of 17 posted 21 MAR 16 by Aurelija D.
I don't remember exactly how many petals mine had, I think it was quite some and rather thin ones. In my garden it is not prone to anything, but I usually do not have very bad bs and mildew attacks. It is a bit sprawly and needs some support, at least so far. Mine still is not big, hopefully it remembers to show some growth this season, it is in its 4th or 5th year (with one replanting), so my patience slowly is running out with him. ;)
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Reply #8 of 17 posted 22 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
I can understand that your patience has run out after that long! Thank you so much for sharing that with me. Do you think the one replanting may have set him back? Maybe this will be his year for you. I hope so!
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Reply #9 of 17 posted 24 MAR 16 by Aurelija D.
It is probably not that much because of the replanting, but for some reason (contrary to what often is said) I never found old garden roses easy to grow. Most of the old garden roses I have tried to grow (30-40 different ones) do not do well on my rich heavy farmland clay, or at least they do quite worse than modern hybrid teas or shrubs or even old good wichuranas/musks as an example. My theory about that, mostly based on the experience with the other plants, is that the closer plant is to the species, the more likely it is to have a difficulty to adapt to the different soil/growing conditions (acid ground plants are the worst offenders there). Around the same time I had some same old roses planted in my old z5 foresty soil garden and here - despite the freezes and all, those in z5 are doing better. Also some of mine moved to Jays garden on more light soil and there they do much better than they ever did here on the clay.
So all in all, even though here Tour is struggling, it might do much better if the soil was more light and old rose friendly.
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Reply #10 of 17 posted 25 MAR 16 by Raynyk
This is also what I've heard from my local rose guru, species and hybrids close to them do best in lighter soils, contrary of "common knowledge" that heavy soils are always best for roses.
Hardiness is one of the main issues in northern scandinavia and heavy clay soils makes the roses more prone to freeze back, maybe because heavy clay and lots of nutrients lengthens the growing season to far into autumn.
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Reply #11 of 17 posted 25 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
I'm not sure if we have the same type of clay but I have hard red clay. I planted my OGR in it ( after a rain had softened it up)and amended the hole some in most and not at all in a few but mine have been doing great. I think it may take them a while longer to spread but other than that they have done great. With two exceptions. So I wonder what difference is?
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Reply #12 of 17 posted 28 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Alana, I was mistaken... I already have this rose and made some photo's today:
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Reply #13 of 17 posted 28 MAR 16 by AlanaSC
Hey Jay-Jay are you budding it? It's looking good! I haven't tried doing that yet...I do have plants to bud onto now thanks to a rose friend. I'll ahve to root so more and play around with it :)
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Reply #14 of 17 posted 28 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
It's not that difficult, when done at the right time!
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Reply #15 of 17 posted 21 SEP 16 by AlanaSC
Hi Jay-jay I am finally receiving this rose this fall from palatine! I hope it does well and breaks dormancy in spring. Wish me luck :) I hope yours is doing well.
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Reply #16 of 17 posted 21 SEP 16 by Jay-Jay
Good luck with the Tour de Malakoff. I'll look forward towards photo's.
I'll attach some photo's of the bud-graft.
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Reply #17 of 17 posted 21 SEP 16 by AlanaSC
Hey Tour is looking good! I know you can't wait for a bloom :) I'll post pics of mine when I get it and in Spring...and hope I get a bloom!
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Discussion id : 31-269
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Initial post 28 OCT 08 by Unregistered Guest
Available from - Rosenschule - Stange
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