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'CLCXPPD' rose Reviews & Comments
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7 FEB 24 by
 Margaret Furness
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Robert, do you think your parent plant was Clementina Carbonieri or Souv de Gilbert Nabonnand? You're the only one recorded to have extracted a seedling from it (whichever).
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#1 of 12 posted
8 FEB 24 by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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I believe I got this one from Tom Liggett many years ago and have always assumed it was correct as he undoubtedly got his propagation material from San Jose Heritage.
I do not profess to be an expert on this cultivar. Whatever it is, I have used it as seed parent more than once.
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#2 of 12 posted
8 FEB 24 by
billy teabag
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In The Roses of the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden Catalog, Tenth Anniversary Edition, April 2005, there are listings for Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand and Clementina Carbonieri (in trade as) [= Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand].
The provenance of Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand is recorded as Goteborg Rosarium, Gothemburg, Sweden.
The provenance of Clementina Carbonieri (in trade as) [= Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand] is Kathleen Jagger, Orinda, CA.
We visited The San Jose Heritage Rose Garden in 2005 and my notes from that visit say "These two roses appear to be identical. Cannot find any point of difference."
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#3 of 12 posted
8 FEB 24 by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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I can't say I'm surprised. I apparently have the clone from Orinda if this is the case.
Where does this put us in terms of identification?
Has anyone asked Jill, or maybe Gregg Lowery?
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#4 of 12 posted
8 FEB 24 by
Margaret Furness
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Thanks for a prompt reply Robert. Next question: does your plant (of the parent) have prickles?
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#5 of 12 posted
8 FEB 24 by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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#6 of 12 posted
9 FEB 24 by
Margaret Furness
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We're trying to identify a recently-spotted found rose in this colour range (Souv de Gilbert Nabonnand, Clementina Carbonieri, Isabelle Nabonnand). Looks like it will be hard to find a gold standard to compare it with.
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#7 of 12 posted
9 FEB 24 by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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I would guess they have been confused too long to make a determination.
I wonder if some of the older references might give enough information to help sort things out
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#8 of 12 posted
14 FEB 24 by
Margaret Furness
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Turns out our "new foundling" was a fairly recent seedling of Mons.Tillier, planted in an old cemetery a few years ago by a Heritage Roses member. Traps for the unwary.
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#9 of 12 posted
14 FEB 24 by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Yes, whichever it's moniker, seed fertile,
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#10 of 12 posted
14 FEB 24 by
Patricia Routley
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Margaret, has it been confirmed that the recent seedling of Mons. Tillier and the “new foundling” were on or nearby the same grave site? Or did they come from different locations?
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#11 of 12 posted
14 FEB 24 by
Margaret Furness
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Rob, who collected the rose, saw the email from Geoff, who planted it, about its general location. I have asked both about a grave name.
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#12 of 12 posted
14 FEB 24 by
Patricia Routley
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Thank you Margaret.
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