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Initial post 13 JUN 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Bought this as gallon-sized own-root: The foliage is medium-green and glossy, this rose needs space, it throws out far-reaching laterals, much wider than stated in HMF. The scent started out clove, and end with "floral grassy", very pleasant. This rose does best in morning sun, and blooms fried n hot full-sun above 90 F. It's low-thorn & pretty foliage.
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Reply #1 of 22 posted 12 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Straw, how is this one working out for you? Do you still like the scent?
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Reply #2 of 22 posted 12 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
The blooms actually look pretty good in today's heat of 92 F, compared to Blue Girl. The scent is grassy-clove, I would rate it 6 out of 10. It's NOT meant to stick one's nose close-up, but in a vase it gives off a pleasant wafting scent. Yes, I recommend it for hot & dry climate .. it actually look better in dry heat, than after heavy rain .. blooms turned ugly-brown with rain. It's very beautiful as a landscape bush, very glossy & pretty foliage. As a 2nd year own-root, the root is deep enough for once-a-week watering in full-sun & above 90 F. I put 2 bags of sand for that spot, since it's right below the rain-spout.
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Reply #3 of 22 posted 12 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Thank you, it's certainly beautiful enough!
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Reply #4 of 22 posted 13 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Forget to inform you that Poseidon fried at above 90 F, full-sun into crispy-blue at end of day, still look good !! I suspect the blue roses don't like hot full sun.
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Reply #5 of 22 posted 13 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the extra info! My Neptunes have afternoon shade in the pots and it sounds like I need to plant them that way also. I am frying about a half dozen Angel Face though, so far, so good!
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Reply #6 of 22 posted 13 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Dee-lish doesn't fry whatsoever as own-root. It's in full sun. Yesterday was 92 F, with strong wind that made Madame I. Periere's blooms shatter immediately. But Dee-lish didn't shatter with strong wind. It's the most enjoyable cut-blooms to sniff (yummy fruit in alkaline clay, but perfume in potting soil). The blooms have gorgeous swirls, I wish Dee-lish would come in blue, purple, and orange !! There's Soleil d' Or, which is a Foetida/Pernetiana with orange swirls, and thrive in hot & dry & alkaline .. that's hardy in zone 5, but I have a hunch that Soleil d'Or prefers loamy/sandy soil.
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Reply #7 of 22 posted 13 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
I had Dee-Lish on my list but was worried that she would prefer clay?
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Reply #8 of 22 posted 13 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Both Poseidon and Dee-lish were super-vigorous in MG-moisture control potting soil (but I punched a dozen holes in the pot so it was very fast-draining). Since Dee-lish has many thick-petals, I would put as much potting soil as possible for a dry/hot climate. Some roses are worth the entire bag of potting soil, just to keep them moist.
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Reply #9 of 22 posted 13 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Thank you!
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Reply #10 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Poseidon is a gem as 2nd-year-own root, it far-surpasses Lagerfeld in all aspects. Cannot find any blackspot on Poseidon regardless of weather, be it 3 weeks of hot & dry & no rain, or tons of acidic rain. It's the best-looking bush & continuous bloomer in my garden, and blooms can take full-sun better than Blue girl. The best aspect of Poseidon is when it's over 90 F, blooms turn darker-blue rather than faded. I'm moving Lagerfeld OUT-OF-SIGHT, since it's so floppy & faded, but Poseidon deserves the ideal spot for admiration of its bush-beauty. Poseidon is almost thornless and never poke me like Nahema.
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Reply #11 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by Lavenderlace
How is the fragrance?

I'm afraid that I've been disappointed with Lagerfeld also this summer. The beautiful blooms of spring have turned into floppy dirty white with not much fragrance. He's blooming in the heat but they are ugly and small now. Those in the ground and in pots all have afternoon shade but it's not enough.
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Reply #12 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
The scent of Poseidon is strong clove with rain water, but turns floral/grassy in the vase with my alkaline tap water. I like the scent in the vase better than in the ground. My Poseidon is still in full-sun, above 90 F turn blooms into darker blue. Lasts at least 4 days in the vase if cut in buds.
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Reply #13 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks! I might try even more shade on the pots to see if it helps. On Poseidon, the HMF description says that it doesn't like warmer climates so that's why I've been afraid to try them.
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Reply #14 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lagerfeld is the one that doesn't like it hot & dry. The minute we don't have rain, and watered with alkaline-tap at pH 9, Lagerfeld broke out in blackspots & yellow leaves, while Poseidon is 100% healthy. As own-root Poseidon has HUGE & DEEP root and is drought-tolerant. It's healthy in MG-potting soil as well as my rock-hard-clay.
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Reply #15 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by Lavenderlace
That's interesting to compare, thanks! I haven't seen a hint of blackspot in sandy soil but I do water a lot with well water at pH 7.
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Reply #16 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Excellent info, !! My high-pH tap-water hardens the soil, so water can't move upward in hot & dry weather .. so roses break out in blackspot. In contrast, acidic rain water softens and loosens my clay, so water can be transported upward.
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Reply #17 of 22 posted 18 AUG 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the info and the great report on Poseidon!
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Reply #18 of 22 posted 30 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
After tons of rain, picked 3 blue-blooms for the vase today: Poseidon, Bluegirl, and Lagerfeld. Poseidon is the prettiest: deepest blue color & many petals & last up to a week (if picked in bud), and the scent becomes stronger in the vase. Its scent ranges from clove (if watered with my pH 9 tap-water), to aromatic grassy floral (in the vase), to floral & Old-rose (with acidic rain water at pH 4.5). Bluegirl loses its scent in the vase, and Lagerfeld scent lessens, versus Poseidon's scent becomes stronger & wafting in the vase.

Poseidon is the best blue-flower for the vase. It's a continuous bloomer, very short pause in between.
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Reply #19 of 22 posted 30 AUG 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the excellent review!
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Reply #20 of 22 posted 10 MAY by Nola Z5a WI
What size is this bush now and how many years have you had it planted please? Is there any updates?
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Reply #21 of 22 posted 10 MAY by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
My Poseidon is an 8th-year own root, always green to the tip through my zone 5a winter, except for this winter (1/2 canes are green to 3 feet, the other 1/2 cane are down to 1 foot). It's a continuous bloomer since there are at least 40+ blooms that open gradually, rather than all at once. Will post pics. of recent years in the photo section. Bush is 4' x 2.5', it gets wider as it matures.
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Reply #22 of 22 posted 24 MAY by Nola Z5a WI
Thanks Straw! That's actually a great size for where I have it.
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Initial post 30 AUG 19 by BenT_TX
The spring bloom is quite beautiful, on the highly sought after blue side of lavender. The summer blooms are awful, tiny blooms on ugly tight clusters, fried quickly, with the unattractive thin pointy petals that hybridizes worked so hard to breed out of miniature roses. It is healthy,, but who needs disease resistance when the plant is so ugly, I’d rather it commit rose suicide. I find Love Song, a similarly colored blue-lavender to be far superior in every respect. I will be finding a new home for Poseidon, either in someone else’s garden or in the landscape recycling bin.

Edited: Four years later, Poseidon has redeemed himself and proved me wrong. The plant has grown big and lush, and is loaded with beautiful blooms of a very sought-after soft grey-blue lavender. The heat resistance has improved as the big established bush can now support the blooms better . Every aspect of this variety has improved with age, the flower quality and quantity , how long it lasts. Highly recommended.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 JAN 20 by HappyRose
Hi I am in Austin texas, what would you recommend for similar rose to Poseidon. Where did you find love song as a violet rose to plant in our texas extreme heat at times?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 JAN 20 by BenT_TX
I’d recommend Love Song, you can purchase it online at Regan Nursery and elsewhere. Sometimes local nurseries will carry it in the spring. Violet’s Pride also does well in our hot summers, but is less ‘blue’ than Poseidon or Love Song.
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