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Discussion id : 64-085
most recent 13 OCT 12 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 MAY 12 by monimoni
i purchased Sunset Celebration, four years ago as a potted plant. To date it has never really matured, it has never been the rose the comments rave about. The leaves are always wrinkled looking with rust spots, the bush remains small (2ft). I have 120 roses, this is the only bush that for its spring flush has only given one bud,thats just ridiculous!!! I have waited long enough for this one to mature, so, i have decided to shovel this one an am replacing it with Marilyn Monroe.

UPDATE: I decided to keep this rose in place for this summer, i purchased Marilyn Monroe and put her elsewhere. I gave Sunset Celebration an extra shot of fertilizer, she now has approx. 12 buds and has new basil breaks. Hopefully this is the year this rose has matured, and it only took four years. The blooms are beautfiul and fragrant.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 6 MAY 12 by Lyn G
Is it possible that you just got a dud of a plant ?

Reply #2 of 9 posted 7 MAY 12 by monimoni
indeed it is possible, i could have gotton a dud bud, i have to decide if i wanna try it again, when i look at the pics on the site it is a beautiful rose.
Reply #3 of 9 posted 7 MAY 12 by Lyn G

What made me ask the question is that I remember reading in Jack Harkness's book, Roses, that roses are an agricultural crop. Up until that time, I had really never thought of them that way. He went on to say that in some years the crops were excellent, while other year, the climate impacted the growing season and the plants were not as good.

There are many other variables that can impact the quality of the plant that finally arrives at the garden center or nursery ... too many to list here.

When I reviewed the REFERENCES on the rose page, I saw that the breeder thought of this rose as his "best" rose. That says a lot. Also, the other REFERENCES and MEMBER COMMENTS, praise the rose. It was introduced in 1994, so it has certainly passed the "test of time."

If this rose is a good rose in your climate and you really want it in your garden, I would suggest you try another plant before giving up on it. Of course, that is your choice.

Reply #4 of 9 posted 8 MAY 12 by monimoni
thnx, i really do like this rose, i look at the pics and its awesome, thats a good way of looking at it, i have had some dud bushes, my first dud was Double Delight, i gave it another try and love it so much i purchased two and they give breath taking blooms. So you are correct, i should try it again.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 9 MAY 12 by Lyn G
Good luck with your rose !

Reply #6 of 9 posted 13 OCT 12 by mtspace
I would find it helpful to know something about which USDA zone the rose inhabits and how many hours of sunlight it gets every day.

When I grew Sunset Celebration next to Electron in zone 6b the electric pink HT grew just well enough yielding a few good roses each season, but it took five years for Sunset Celebration to achieve five feet in height. And it had just one cane. It produced one (1) bloom in the whole time. I knew when I planted it that the level of sunlight was marginal; but six other roses cultivars (not hybrid teas, BTW) did perfectly well in exactly the same light conditions. Sunset Celebration was certainly cold hardy to zone 6b, but I think it needs a great deal of bright sun, very fertile damp soil, and dryish air. Six hours of sunlight proves plenty for many roses including some HTs, but is probably insufficient for this one. When I grow it here in zone 7b where the sun is already bright and the sky is clear I will try to find a place with at least eight hours of direct, bright, unfiltered sunlight for it. I hope this helps.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 13 OCT 12 by monimoni
indeed it does help, glad to see sunset just wants to take its time, its doing better now, it just a slow starter, it gets 6-8hrs of sun daily, i gave it an extra dose of fertiziler and its looking good.

thank you
Reply #8 of 9 posted 13 OCT 12 by Lyn G

You are very correct. Sometimes, the siting of a rose in your garden can make all the difference in the world in the plant's performance. There are so many variables that can impact our roses.

Also, in my own experience, I have found that some roses simply take longer to mature while others planted in the same part of the garden seem to jump out of the ground.

In my garden in the mountains of northern California, I have found that it takes about four years before a plant is mature. That's because I am gardening in glacier slurry.

I think it's almost impossible to treat every rose in the garden the same way. I have found that some roses need more water than other roses in the same bed. Some roses need more or less food.

When a rose in my garden is not performing to expectation, I experiment with the variables I can control to see if that helps the plant. Of course, there are times when I received a dud and nothing helped.

As far a zones are concerned, I think latitude plays a very big role in the number of hours of sunlight and the quality of sunlight more than temperatures. When I lived in southern California, I had a much longer growing season and the quality of light was very different than what I have up here. In San Diego, I pruned in January and could expect my first flush in April. In northern California, I don't even prune until April and the first flush is near the end of May. My zone 8a is very different from a rose friend's zone 8a in another state.

Reply #9 of 9 posted 13 OCT 12 by mtspace
Monica, I'm glad to hear that it was just a matter of time before Sunset Celebration did well in your garden.

Lyn, Your insights are very helpful. I see things in much the same way. In fact, I sometimes wonder whether people should be barred from breeding or writing about rose culture until they've grown roses in at least two places not less than 2000 miles apart. One of the great problems (and opportunities) for rose sites is to help people establish realistic expectations for how a rose might do in a person's own garden. Of course, summer and winter temperatures, levels of sunlight, soil fertility, freeze-thaw cycle patterns, humidity, rainfall, soil types, cultural practices, and special problems with local pests and diseases can all play crucial roles. Sometimes a subtle variation becomes important. For example, a comment about Super Excelsa doing well in the lower plain states of Germany, but failing in Berlin for lack of moisture surprised me yesterday. Each cultivar responds differently to a given set of conditions. Each spot in the garden can be subtly different from each other spot, too. So it is useful to make careful distinctions and generalizations.

One of my own goals is to help people break the mental habit of thinking/saying "this is a good rose" or "that's a bad rose" saying instead "this rose blooms generously" or "that rose is a martyr to black spot, even in the low humidity of Chino, CA." Some characteristics of roses seem quite variable and others seem quite constant across geography. If we are to communicate effectively with each other about roses we need to think in terms of the right level of specificity. The goal of a good website such as this one, it seems to me, is to make these distinctions well.

Of course not all the tools to be successful with this are well established. I think it is sad that the Sunset Zone system a) was not constructed for all temperate climate areas in the world and b) is not used broadly enough because c) it is not nearly so intuitive as the USDA cold hardiness system. It takes many more local variables mentioned above into consideration including soil characteristics. Something like it would, therefore, make a good foundation upon which to build finely tuned geographical distinctions affecting rose performance.

(Back on Topic:) Evidently Sunset Celebration is a rose that very frequently takes a long time to get established even where conditions are favorable, but it tends to be quite resistant to disease. It's a sort of "Little Engine that Could" rose. There are hints in these comments suggesting that its best performance is achieved with more sunlight than is required by many vigorous hybrid tea roses.

Discussion id : 63-974
most recent 2 MAY 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 MAY 12 by Jean Marion
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Discussion id : 57-471
most recent 24 SEP 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 SEP 11 by Jay-Jay
After a long period of no rain and a lot of sun (hours) in spring, summer was wet and dark (much less hours of sunlight), Warm Wishes is now very susceptible to rust! It looks very bad, leaves are falling and the new growth is wrinkled.
No other rose in my garden is affected by it. We'll see what next season will bring!
Discussion id : 57-029
most recent 4 SEP 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 SEP 11 by Jay-Jay
This year this rose has a strong fragrance for the first time: it's a pleasant mix of rose, Tea and bitter almonds.
In rainy weather it turns more pinkish and gets pink spots on the petals.
Something causes to wrinkle some of the leaves and flowerstems.
In my opinion it's more a repeat-bloomer, than a continuous flowering rose.
It has some stunning flushes throughout the season, when it is covered with flowers. Some come as one big rose per stem (as a florist-rose), others come in complete bouquets and are half the size of the latter.
At lower temps the flowers are darker, more apricot/orangy/salmon (and even a little red). When it's warmer they are more pink.
Part of the flowers have a double hart. But they look good and open well too!
A real keeper and very healthy!(until now)
This rose withstood the last cold winters in zone 6a/b with flying colours!
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