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Discussion id : 129-553
most recent 3 NOV 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 2 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
Another study name in Australia is "Lismore".
The rose from everywhere.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 2 NOV 21 by Patricia Routley
Do we have a printed reference for this name please Margaret?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 3 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
I doubt it. What I have is: Provenance Lismore roadside ->; Barry Gibson -> Nancy Rudgley -> PT ->Renmark. The speculation about what it might be was so far off, I'll omit it; must have been before the days of easy internet access.
I have two potted plants grown from cuttings taken at Renmark when we realised the North bed was going to go. Someone, probably John N, had already said it was "just the common foundling" but I hadn't seen it flowering before today.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 3 NOV 21 by Patricia Routley
Thanks. I have added “Lismore Roadside”.
It is flowering here now and the word ”just” is replaced here by “the stunningly beautiful”.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 3 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
I'm sorry if I've confused things - I think it was known to the people who gave it to us, just as "Lismore".
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Discussion id : 121-993
most recent 6 JUN 20 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 JUN 20 by Jeri Jennings
REPOSTING GREGG LOWERY'S COMMENT FROM FACEBOOK, JUNE 2020:

(I didn't want this to be lost.)

Gregg Lowery Anita, ask anyone in Australia about our conversations regarding ID. We declared a mutual understanding that when we offered a name for a rose, it was not with authority of experience (none of us was born a hundred years before and could provide certainty), but with the name we had received a rose under. That was it. The unsolved mysteries are just that. Dr. Eugene Peck was a physician who lived and worked in Oakland and was among the founding members of the Heritage Roses Group. He was retired and a volunteer at the Oakland Public Library, and obsessed with gathering information from books and periodicals that dealt with roses popular in Oakland in the late 19th century. He found many roses in old Oakland gardens including his "12th Avenue Smoothie", so called in reference to the mostly thornless stems of the rose. We received this rose under many names including Gaspard Monge (cuttings from the rose originally planted in the San Jose Heritage), as well as from Roseraie de l'Hay and Schultheis. We saw it everywhere in Australian as well as NZ. What is so important about this rose, in my opinion is that it is so beautiful, with crepe-like texture to the petals and a pale green eye, or 'pointed' as Graham Thomas described it—what Ruth Knopf referred to as a 'Steeple'. No wonder it is everywhere. Don't dwell on getting the name right. The story of its enthrallment over all who see it is enough.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 4 JUN 20 by HMF Admin
Thank you Jeri.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 4 JUN 20 by Jeri Jennings
You're welcome. Information too good to be lost in FB.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 4 JUN 20 by Patricia Routley
And too much information in both the Australian and American foundling files to keep them apart. I’ll merge
"Dr. Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie. (Cal. USA)” with
"Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)”
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 4 JUN 20 by Jeri Jennings
GREAT!
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 6 JUN 20 by Patricia Routley
Having a slight problem with that Merge. We’ll get to it.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 6 JUN 20 by Jeri Jennings
No rush! :-)
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Discussion id : 118-941
most recent 31 OCT 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 OCT 19 by HubertG
Simply based upon someone's memory of this rose being a "Mrs. Something", I wonder if it is 'Mrs Elliott'. The mauve-pink flowers seem to fit the bill and it apparently was in Australia early on. I found this reference in 'The Victorian Farmers Journal and Gardeners Chronicle' of 9 Feb, 1861, page 20:

"this queen of flowers, the good much-loved old English rose - we have not lagged so far behind, as the following list will testify, which are now largely grown throughout the colony, viz .-
Auguste Mie, Aimee Vibert, Baronne Prevot, Boule de Nanteuil, Chenedole, Cloth of Gold, Coupe de Hebe, Devoniensis, Dupetit Thouars Duchess of Sutherland, Frederick II., Geant des Batailles, General Jacqueminot, Jacques Laffette, La Ville de Bruxelles, La Reine, Magna Rosea, Madame Andot, Do.Bravy, Do. Laffay, Do. Maurin, Do. Trudeux, Do. Zoutman, Mrs Bosanquet, Do. Elliott, Paul Ricaut,Malmaison, Vicomtesse de Cazes... "
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 31 OCT 19 by Margaret Furness
No, it doesn't repeat. A pity.
The UK and Sangerhausen grow it as Gaspard Monge.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 31 OCT 19 by HubertG
Ah, no matter. It was just a thought.
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Discussion id : 115-406
most recent 17 FEB 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 FEB 19 by bumblekim
I am following the mystery of this rose on Facebook, my question is who started calling it "Dr Peck" and what is the earliest known reference for using that name? Is it a study name or published anywhere?
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