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'Hélène de Troie' rose Reviews & Comments
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You crossed Safrano with Peace? Now there's something different, and off to a good start. I can't help wondering about some points.
1/ Both of the parents are monsters. Safrano rapidly gets over 2 metres tall and 3 metres wide if it's fairly happy, and I've seen an old (unpruned for decades) Peace around that size too. How is it that this offspring of two monsters only gets to a metre or less?
2/ What has it inherited from Safrano, and what has it inherited from Peace? The former is bulletproof outside of frost zones, while the latter will defoliate if black spot so much as looks in its general direction.
Safrano also has the typical Tea flowering pattern (on and off all year, with superb blooms in winter) while Peace is a definite Hybrid Tea.
I suppose what I really want to know is a/ is this thing bulletproof and b/ does it make flowers all year round?
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Egad, this rose is so beautiful. IMO many of the modern hybrid teas need to 'de-evolute' and become more natural looking, and this one is an example of what can be achieved. Wish it was here in the States. Nate
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10 FEB 20 by
 HubertG
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I agree, it's very beautiful.
What should one call a Tea crossed with a Hybrid Tea? Should it still be just a Hybrid Tea?
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Yes, a Tea and HT cross would still be an HT. Teas crossed with types other than Hybrid Perpetuals or Hybrid Teas are "Tea Hybrids", and also whatever else they are crossed with. For example, if you crossed a Tea with a Hugonis, it could be a Tea Hybrid or a Hybrid Hugonis.
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#3 of 4 posted
10 FEB 20 by
HubertG
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Technically that's true, but I was wondering if a rose like this took after the Tea parent more and flowered through winter in a mild climate, retained its foliage etc, would it be a sort of subclass of HT? And what if you backcrossed this rose to another Tea? Still a Hybrid Tea even if it was more Tea-like?
Lol, just thinking out loud here.
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Traditionally, a Tea X HP cross would be an HT. Any other Tea cross would be a "Tea hybrid" or hybrid of whatever else the other parent contained. Of course, it's up to the breeder and introducer to classify it as whatever they feel it would sell best as. So, yes, "technically" and traditionally, any HT blood contained in the product makes it a Hybrid Tea, no matter how much Tea it contained. And, "if it quacks like a duck"..as far as marketing is concerned.
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