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"Margaret McGredy - in commerce in Australia as" rose Reviews & Comments
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14 JUN 20 by
petera
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Just to throw another possibility out there, is it 'Stanley Gibbons' (Charles Gregory UK 1976)? There is a bed of it in the Flagstaff gardens in Melbourne. I will check with the gardeners there when the virus lock down is over and it is easier to bounce in and talk to people.
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I tried to ID it and ran into road blocks. The closest I could find it Command Performance, but I dont think thats quite right. I found the color difficult to properly describe. In the photos they look carmine tinged coral, with a lighter reverse, but I dont actually know.
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11 JUN 20 by
 Plazbo
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Yeah, the colour of Command Performance is close in some pictures. It's a hard colour to describe, it's a warm colour though.
It easily got to 6ft from a bareroot the first season here so it's quite tall/vigorous. Didn't branch much. Thorns, some canes very, others more typical/average.
When the bud on the plant now blooms, if it does with it being winter now, I'll do a petal count.
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So, of the Montezuma, Spartan type height.
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11 JUN 20 by
Plazbo
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It's fairly seed fertile, so may be of use to anyone wanting to breed tall HT.
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Copying Members Comments from the ‘Margaret McGredy’ file:
Discussion id : 119-608
Initial post 2 JAN by HMF supporting memberPlazbo
So it seems to set hips reliably and they are huge, almost golf ball size and still not drooping down in the slightest, largest hips on a rose I've seen so far. Yet to harvest for seed count. Will be interesting to see germination and what appears in the seedlings.
New canes have grown and thorn count between canes is very variable. Canes can be super thorny like Alexander (https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.180925) and many of it's descendants with varying size of thorns covering almost every bit of cane. Others are less densely thorned (like a picture I've uploaded previously). Certainly not low thorn by my standards as gloves are needed to handle it in most cases.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 6 MAR by HMF supporting memberpetera
Are you still happy your rose is really Margaret McGredy? I received a rose labelled that from Thomas for Roses last year and it has pure orange flowers with paler reverse and has masses of prickles on the vigorous shoots. The photos of your rose appear to be closer to the colours given in the references but does it have any yellow on the backs of the petals? It is such an important rose if it still exists. I have ordered one from Wagners in the hope it is correctly identified but I have my doubts. Steve Beck told me that Wagners got their plant from him and he had obtained it from Thomas but plants can get confused or even replaced with correct varieties without others knowing.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 7 MAR by HMF supporting memberPlazbo
I honestly don't know, I'm not great with identifying older roses when all we have are black and white photos or paintings that seem to differ quite significantly from painter to painter or from reality (ie a lot of the early yellows are painted really deep yellow but just don't reflect that at all in reality). Add in MM and it's reported tendency to sport and it gets murky.
I image we have the same plant, it's a warm orange that leans towards the red/pink side than the yellow side of the orange spectrum. Vigorous and with many thorns. Each cane varies in degree of thorns but none approach anything I'd consider low thorn. I have not noticed yellow in it's reverse but I also probably haven't been looking that hard, yellow being one of those colours that fade to nothing very quickly here...I mean the Talisman I have is so faded compared to most peoples images.
I do have a bunch of seed from it, many being likely OP selfs which may reveal more about it but that's months away.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 11 MAR by HMF supporting memberpetera
I will compare the plants when I get the Wagners version and keep you posted.
Reply #4 of 7 posted yesterday by HMF supporting memberPlazbo
Just an observation.
Now with summer over and temps declining (and light rain being more frequent) it's become quite spotty and yellowing. Possibly downy mildew more than blackspot but I've never been good at telling one from the other :)
Reply #5 of 7 posted today by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
You might like to compare the foliage with that of ‘Peace’. The 1926, 1927, 1936 and 1978 references are of interest in relation to the foliage.
Downy mildew can produce sudden leaf drop in spring. It is characterised by purplish blotches on the leaves and stems.
Reply #6 of 7 posted today by HMF supporting memberPlazbo
Just uploaded two pics. I imagine its probably not the real MM, its a warm orangey pinky colour but so many other parts dont seem to line up with early descriptions
Reply #7 of 7 posted today by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
I imagine it is not the real MM as well. The base of the leaf shape is more or less cuneate, or wedge shape, as against the ovate or rounded leaf base of ‘Peace’. In addition your leaves look matt as against ‘Peace’s glossy leaves. I’ll make a new file called “Margaret McGredy (in commerce in Australia as)” and move your photos.
I think that is black spot as downy mildew tends to appear between the veins.
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